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mode of fiäion for the city of West- did directly atone for that aggression minster.”
The next confideration is the injury ; Upon the above petition being read by and it is now the duty of your Lorsithe clerk, the Ilouse appeared in 1:0 ships to see whether the Convention does small state of confufion, not knowing, not amply repair the damage; and whe from its very extraordinary tendency, ther it does not also procure for Enrland its contemptuous languag", and the nö. advantages of a high and important velty of its prayer, under what head kind. Look, my Lords, to the first and of petitions it ihould be claffed. It is second Articles of the Convention, and however necessary, according to act of you will see that reftitution is to be inade, Parliament, to fix a day and hour for and reparation to the parties injured. considering of all petitions touching elcc. But this is not all-What has been subtions; and in consequence of that ject of lirigation, is now finally adjustes, act, it was appointed for the 4th of Fe- und Spain concedes the navigation ot bruary
those feas. We are not only reitored to
Nootka, bat may participate in a more HOUSE OF LORDS.
northern Pettlement, if preferable fo MONDAY, Dec. 13.
the carrying on the trade. The great The Earl of Kinnoul moved for the queftion of the Southern Fishery is finally production of all Memorials presented to establimed, on such grounds as muft preand received from Spain, between toth vent all tuture dispute. Advantageous of July, and 28th of O&tober laft; re permiffion is given us to erect temporary Jative to the ships captured in Nootka buildings; and by a ftipulation of the Sound, and the negociation that follow. urmolt importance, all violence, in cases ed thereon.
of infraction, arc prohibited-mono officer · The motion being or posed by the must venture to reize a veslet which he Duke of Montrole, and the question may deem to have infringed the Treaty, put, it passed in the negative
but he must content himself with writin The order of the day was then read bome to his Court. These, my Lords, for taking into consideration the declara. are advantag:s of a very important kin 1 fion and counter-declaration and conven- derived from this Convention, and which tion with Spain...
amply repay the amount of the fum The Duke of Montrofe. I now rise which the armament has cost. And to call your Lordships attention to the yet, out of doors, I have heard of mur. discussion of these important papers, and murs that the expence was not oniy enorto move an Address of thanks to his Ma- mously great buc unneceffarily incurred. jesty thereon. My Lords, the paternal If there are any considerable men in this goodness of his Majesty, displayed in his House who are of that opinion, I hope exprefsions of anxiety for the continu- they will come forward and itare expli.' ance of the blessings of peace, call upon citly their reaions for so thinking. I us for the warmeft testimonies of grate- frankly state my confidence in his Maful affection, and particularly as we find jesty's Ministers, and I think them highby these important papers, that his Ma- ly deserving of the lupport of your Lord. jefty evidently felt an equal anxiety for ships, and of thanks for the dignified and the honour of his Crown, and the esen- prutent manner in which they have cond tial interes of his peopic. The wiidom ducted this negociation; I beg leave, and dignity with which the negociation now, my Lords, to move; has been conducted, has not only pre- " That an humble Address be presento: ferved to us thofe blessings of peace, at «ed to his Majesty, humbly to express all times fo defirable, but hias preserved - to his Majesty, thai, having taken to the nation advantages highly impor- ( into confideration the Declarati os! tant to its navigatioa and commerce. " exchanged between his Majesty's AmThe dispute between the Courts of Great 66 bassador and the Minilier 'of the Britain and Spain, as stated in his Ma- “ Catholic King, and the Conven. jesty's mellage of May lat, is naturally « tion, since concluded for terminating to be viewed in two lights in the insult “ the difference which had arifen with on the flag of Britain-and in the injury " the Court of Spain : done to its trade. His Majesty declared " That this House feel themselves in his message, that the infult must be " bound to return his Majesty their moft repaired previous to any discusion of « dutiful ackgowledgements for the pathe injury; and we fee, that accordingly " ternal regard to the righis and intertur D claration of the Catholic King, “ ets of his people, manifilted on the L* Vou. XII. No:72.
Forcon of abortir? a suitable rsp. tinue to give it. Ia y profanat " atinntrihe 2 of viclence coonis. capicity I wou'd with or prirode go "Lel at Mooik', and removing th: forih at the commar.d of my Soyerciz? “ grounds of fi.oila: dispares in 10 ani cifciarge the duty confiied in me ture.
by my commander, vittout inquiry - An to express to his Majchy, and with cut diftruft; but the war b.ing R :!: the lookid vil confilece to over, I would, in my place in this “the zealand! alacrity of lis Majes!;'s licule, thi:k mfelf beuni to celt on “ fervais, le poneriui preparations Misirs to prove the juice of the war " that w e made, and the unaniiniry, in which they had invoised their coun
firit ar: ardous of the nation : 1115: ty. Last y:ar Ministers at our pan. * for freeoily flecting the same viure per refuic us all in furmaa:02. Erca 16 bé ojis whah bis Maj fty 633 so the date of a refcrip: was in.paper lo * bagoly accomplit-ci without an ac- be given, although :. Cur í Gran “ iuc! interruption of the bleling of could not paily acoure, by iz 11“ peace.”
cloture any informacionih tey I Tre Carl of Ga gow fecorded the not previoul puittis. But is it now 19 co:Col.
be denied and are we to lacišce' · Lord Altd. - rise, my Lords, with functions-0 overiook our duty--nt to to fine's, to give a negative in the mo- pals a vvie of approbarion, without tion of the noble Duce, becaule rok:104 ing whether Simniers may not be Toril would have risen with no re fc:actually criminal in what they have yun alacrity than myself to have joined cone? Suprots, my Lords, that te in t:rofors of grasitude and thanks to Commons Tiouse of Parliament Ancul!, His Majcey for the seriimon's of benevo, in process of time, fod ground for the Cilt regard to the happiness of his pene impeachment of Ministers in this very ple, which his Majetty's molt gracious Negociation, thould we got go into
xech breathed: Dut mirillers have Weltmnimiter llall under aukward cirdrught fit to couple the great conven- curudances, with the prejudgment of tin with the action for the eldurels, this Addreis in our Jcz-nais; that they inay seize on the loyalty of The noble Duke says, tha; the points ilic livre, and bend it to incir repo- to be confidered are-I, Whetbet the tary ule. I prelune, taey think it a juíalt giver to the national honour be
uiter of convenience, thus to draw atoned for amply! --aal 2, Whether from certain equivocal expr. fioni, an the advantages gained are equal to the opinion that may afterwards be set up injury and expence! I difeet totally so preclurleihe lloute 1:0! !1 fu are dit from this latement. The first and otrution. If I knew any way of retain. vious queliton is-W'as there an infult
!o ruch of tie Duke's motion for given to the nationai honour ? He pallis an Addres, 29 fimply «xpresied the over this el-ntial first enquiry, for the thanks of the Houfe fir his Majesty's best of all reasons, because he fets Migoodols, I would be proud to preserve nifters have denied the Houie the means ahe enuninniry which was mani elled on cf afeertaining the fact. the return to his speech; bui they have No noble Lord can be more decided so adrontly incorporated the approbation than myreli in the opinion that national of the moalure, that I am redurid to honour is a fubitantial ground for war. tlie neceli:y of moring an Asidiría of The honour of a nation is as facred and Thanks to his Majely uncognected with as delicate as the honour of a gentleoihror mat:er:
man. The nation that submits to be inWe knew nothing mylords, of the true sulted is of a Gality that requires pot hiftory oithe negociation, on the conduct.time and calculation to comprehend and influe of which ministers call for our It is felt the moment that it is committhanks. They withold from us the test is not like a damage to be means of jadgment, and yet claim our weighed and balanced--Pure spirit and praise. Confidence, ibat generous quali. prozer feeling act the trouuent they are
y which led us, in our deliberativ cae affaile3. How did his Majefty's Minipacity in the latt feffion of the lał Parlia. Iters treat this pretended in ult? We inani, to trust them implicitly with the kno'y from the published memorials of conduct of the negociation, would change .M. de Florida Blanca, and M. de Vanits character, and hecome something even guyon, (which I quote, because no Mi. worse than weakness; if uow that the nister, how-vrt hey may withold pame gotiation is.endel, we were to con. pers from the house will invalidate their
aeftimony,) that information was official- down centented, and not enquire how ly given of this infult on the joih of Ministers were founded in breakinginupon February. What did they do on the oc- this condition fo esential to our propecasion? They never canie forward to. rity, and involving us in the hazard of a avenge the infuli, and maintain the war, for a cause wl.ich, on the affect of honour of England till the 5th of May. it. does nct juftify their proceduie. What can the House collect from thie, If the infult was given, they compromila but that either the insult is a irere pre. ed the honour of the Nation by the detext taken up to aniwer another purpose lavabut there was a mort wlaneable which they did not think it safe to avow, fpirit of iraammationvisible in their whole or they dallied with the honour of their deportment. Infiead of cultivating that country. If I were to indulge a conjec- liberal fyftem which the enlighten d phi. ture, I mould say, that the first of lanthropy and philofophy of the age there was the true cause of all this made it to practicable for them to cheviolent bufle. Looking back to certain rish and promote (and from which was rumours, and particularly to allthe warm of all nations, would profit the mom, he encomiums on the gallantry and heroism observed that by all their vebická auto of the King of Sweden, with which the publication, and by the whole tenor of Ministerial Papers were so fully charged, their conduct, they rouled and exciter! I should infer that the Spring was preg- in the nation an unwile, and ignoble naar with a dehci to aflift the Northern rancour againfi Spain, which thai gone. Warrior: but that, fenfible the nation rous and high minded nation rover de would not much reliflitiedefignand that ferred, and which it is feandalous to the Noble Earl who commanded the cherish; even if there were provocation, fleet would not have been pericet's pica- He took notice of the oblervation of fed to have gone to the Baltic; they Lord Coventry, that our best confidence thought a little bullying of the Spaniards wüs in our frergih, and said, that if we a feaionable thing, both for concealment were not to truit in justice and honour, and popularity. That they after wards we might eafi'y lose that boafted lupechanged their system, and abandoned riotity by coabinations among other that Monarch to his fate, only proves powers. He paid liigh compliments to that they conducted their fyltem as ihe Navy, for the ardour anı alacrity weakly as they undertook it unwisely. they had displayed, and he a idretled in But I again aver, that it is indipenfible elegant compliment to the Duke of Clato our faithful discharge of the dury that sence, for ibe happy effic which high we owe to our country, to demand the discipline, prompi cbedicnc:, ond ardent means of ascertaining the truc nature gallantry, inanitelied by a portonage of and extent of the iniult, by which we his rank, hai on the fer vice. He is may go properly in:o the examination amined the Convention on its own treof the second part of a rational courf: of rits, and found it pregnant with dipilii, inquiry into the manner in which they and tarren of advantages. H. conconducted themselves in this infult, cluded with moving the previous quer grarting that it was committed. I cer- 'tion. tainly will not think the expenceincur Lord Stey. I confess my atrnih. red too great, if it shall be fairly elta- ment, ny lids, at hearing tie observa. plined that any expence was neceffary. tions that have fallen from the Nobie I hold it as an incontrov:rtible axion, Lore!. I may be fuppofid to be partial that nothing but positive neceflity could to Minifters, frois having left the Cabin jullify Ministers in purting us to the nit fo laiely; ani! I fair y acknowledge bazard of a war. I ihall not be contro. my per:ality ; but did lever expect to verted when I aller!, Thortly, that our hear 1 n charged with being anxious expence for the three years, ending in to involve their cruntry in wr, or to inJanuary 1787, 1988, and 1789, exceer- Hare the micr.3 of their fullow-ritizans cd our increase 700,ocol a year, instead withiilib vality and rancour again't a:lcr of our having, as the Minister promitet nations? But above all the reit, diir. us, a million of furplus-A growing ver expect to hear in this noble House, debt demanded, therefore, that we that thote charges against them were to fiould, by every poflible means, preserve be drawn froin rumour-from the Minithe blessing of peace, that we might in fterial prints- thank God I read none prove the advantages which the fortui- otthom-and from conversation out of tous concurrence of circumitances put doors. Ils Majeliy's Ministers must be within our grasp. Shall we then fit frangely changed in their difpofitions
Typce, since I had the bonour to fit among joyed before they came to be fo absordiz thern, if they are now disposed to involve defined. ther country in a war, or to encurber The Marquis of Lansdown. It has it with unecellary expences. I beg ever, my Lords, been a maxim of my leive to bear my humble testimony io life, that literal confidence is dee to those the merit of their labours in this Negoci, ulo ftitain the severe responsibility of ation. They bare in my mind accom- ofice. In difficult fruations, where den plifned ali that they pledged themselves act at their peril, and chuse to encoun: to cbrain -lnd I was indeed surprised, ter ibe hazard of their ovu fysiem, they that a noble Earl, froni wbom I have reo ougüt, in my mind, to receive from their ceived much Paruamentary information, country a degree of rational truft. But, Mould have moved for all the papers of my Lords, 1or this very reason, it is the Negociation that could not be dif- the more incumbent on Minifters to give closed without danger to the State ; and a clear account, when the day of account for the produclion of which, I will ven- comes. If, initead of concealment and ture to say, he cannot produce a fingle confidence, Miniftcrs chofe in the frit isprecedent. I was not surprised that the fance to take Parliament along with noble Earl's friends did not think proper them, they might afterwards, fairly eto support the queftion.
nough, take their juft proportion of The Earl of Kinnout. The noble Lord, blame-if blame there was; or they if he had taken the trouble to attend to might ose to them the language of an acthe words of my motion, would have complice of guilt, and say " Do not found thai I did not desire all the papers, be over inquisitive, for if you are, the but only the memorials, papers which injured country may discover that we in their nature. cannot be danger- - are both to blame.”. But where Mir.ious to discloft; and that there is a pre- fiers in the first place, call for confidence celent, let the noble Lord look to the on the folcmn promise that they will cale of Paulkland's Jfand, where he fand the peril, and, when the ergagewill find, that more papers than I ment conies to be wound up, throw aked for were cheerfully granted themselves again on this majority for · Lord Portchfier." My Lords the mos protection, the matter is serious indeed. tion of my noble friend was not only dic- The Constitution is wounded in its vitated by discretion, but by attentive re- tals. We are no longer a Free Parlia. gard to that nicety which Ministers af- ment, nor is truth a Parliament at all. fect. The noble Earl afzed for lets, per- Our functions at leaft are gone, and the haps, than he ought; certainly for no- exterior remairis only to perfetuate the thing more than ought to be given, if we dooin of the country. My Lords, I proare at all to enter into the citcussion of test that I cannot yield to the evidence the fubject. I cannot concealfrom yurt of my fenfes. Do I hear righth-is it Lordships iny sentiments, tirar expeci- pcfuble, that aster the ratification of the ed rari:er ro incet his matier in the hape Treaty is made known to you, Mirifters of impcarliment than in the lape of Ad call for coroniendation and refuse you do. drels for Thanks. A conduct io abfurd cuments? Do they, indeed, tell you that and pairious-lo deftitute of all policy they chuse to poftpone the papers ad
o fruitful of danger and in hariri of Graças-calendas, and only put you to the advantagcal will be bold to say the hit trouble, in the mean time, to approre tory v nacious coonot exhibit. 'Bullyirg their conduct? The noble Viscount says, to unprovokac, évaporuling at length in that his Majesty's Minifters must be a Convention lo unirteaning Cofidence firangely changed fince he lat among given to literalls, and 10% rewarles, Thein, if they are now disposed to inI defy any Lord to paralielin l.is sead. volve their country in a war; I can say ing, niuch leis in his experience. It is, vith truth, that they are indeed much in fali, a bubble, fuccefstully flown up, changed tince I was connected with at a critical conjun. iure, to.enabie Minithem; and your Lordships will forgive sters, under the sicutious name of an me if I glance at a matter so personal to Armament, to ir fiuence : General Elec- myself, as the peace of 1782, which I tion in woh a way as to bind che inajori- hall do, without meaning to gain any ty in the service of Ministers. The non consideration to it from the referene. ble Lord having made a preface to this That peace, if it was good for any thire. e d, entered into a critical examination was good on account of the fimplicity of of the Convention, je jutim, in which is principles. It went upon that great he alledged, that be faw nothing bus and benevolent principle to which the noa incie consülioin cf rghis buta: cae ble Lord wlio moved the previous quel
tion, with the spirit fo becoming the gal. rope haraffing every Court with their lantry of his character, alluded to, the intrigues, filling every country with broad, simple principle of extingushing their Meslengers, forcing connection animosity between two nations, disposed against policy, and trade against nature. by nature for the most friendly connec- They had entered into the miferable tion. It went to stile for ever the squabble of every Cabinet, and bad mixsparks of jealousy, that till that æra eu in every forry project of every petty were ever bursting forth into occafiona! Ccurt. They had even travelled out of flames. And you fee that experience has Chrifdendon, and at Conftantinople had juftified the principle. Not one spark of railed up the Turks to wage a war of discord has since appeared. It concluded courses and cruelty on a poor old womar, every posible quellion between them, the ancient friend of their country, and and laid the ground-work of a permas this too at the time when they were fendnent and generous friendship. In regard ing forth preciainatious to reform the to Spain, the principle was the fame; morals and prevent the profanation of with this addition, that if any coing was religion. They irove to bring the poor to be conceded, it was to be given to the decrepid Empre's with horror to th: weakest power. but nothing was hung grave, and 10 tear from her withered up for Consuls to discuss. The lines of tempics the laurels that the former kindfriendship were bold and d-finite;, and nefs of England had afted ber ow. it preserved, as to Spanish America, the bravery, in binding there. Three years fyitem of policy which had been handed have they been labouring in every corto us by the wileft and most enlighteneil ner of Europe, arii in what do all their of our ancestors. In regard to Holland, mighly projects of aggrandifement conthe Treaty had only one variation from clude in Ni otto Sount! After all liberal principle-That ia oue article it this waste of character, after all this was calculated to make her feel and rue bustle of negociation with every Cabinet, her owu misconduct is not treating lepa. for an island here, for a treaty of con'rately with us; but throughout, the peace merce there, for aliances in every breathed this one Atrong, timple princi- quarter, and . unheard of pomp and ple, the extinction of all caule of quar- power, what is the reluli? A joint right rel, and the furtherance of that spirit of to catch cats in Noorka! Not one national benevolence which philofophy acquisition more. He defied them to had introduced into the politics of Euo exhibit another advantage. For this rope. Such was the ground upon which they had sacrificed all that our generosithc King's Ministers found themseives ty had obtained. View them ia 1782, established in office in the beginning of and in 1790. In 1982, England was 1784. Try them by the use they have courted by every Court of Europe. They made of the glorious cpportunity. Here acknowiedzed, with sepentance, that the noble Marquis run over the adminie their conduct had been unxenerous, and ftration of Mr Pitt in relation to external beholding our dignificd land, they chia politics, in which he found Minifters, veted and courted our frienclip. down to the year 1985,!!udiously obier- Mark the sad reverse. Within the last vant on the principles on which they let threc years, tuch has been the rsNleis out. The first incomprehenCble aci intrigue, the exasperating haughtiness, an act, the meaning or icnie of which he the intermeddling fpirit, and ilic diplocould not yet diicover, was the concef- matic insincerity of Ministers, that there fion inade to Spain by that memorabie was not one Court in Europe which we Convention-And from what moment 10 had not offended. The Empreis ncthe present, he was bound in conscience ver could, and he was pofuive fans never to declare the whole fyltem had been a would, to get the attack inade on her marked and violent departure from the descending days. The King of Swelen principies of the peace, and from the lys they had stirred up, and had abandoned iem on which they had le: out. Inf.ad in his nced ; Denmark they had insulica, of maintaining the honourable lla:ion we because the was weak. The Bilgic States had acquired by our moderation, insiead they had excited to rise up against their of being the arbiter, and, what was as Sovereign, and had' scruited them ; in valuable, the factor of Europe, inflcall the high minded bofom of Spain, they of giving to our situation its uncrippled had planted a thorn that would rankie way, instead of leaving the re-anipated and feier. Even Portugal, after proini. genius of the ille to cure its own reşin fing to interfere in the Kleinent of the for its flight, hey had sine round Eu- dipues with cur Mierc!:ants, they had