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Parliamentary Intelligence. the speech which he was graciously pleased hips, but the sense also of his people as to deliver from the throne that day. The large. Noble Lord then proceeded to a retrospect The motion having been read, of the late disagreement betwecn this Court Earl Stanbope rose and faid; he rose not to and that of the Catholic King; but which, oppose the address, neither was it his intenhe was happy to congratulate their Lord- tion to impute either blame or praise to Miships, no longer existed; and he was proud nisters for their conduct in respect to the of being able to congratulate his country up- late negociation, and that, because he was on a circumstance which casures to us a fur- not yet sufficiently acquainted with the ther continuance of the blessings of peace, grounds and circumstances of it in detail, and which secures to us the full exercise of to be enabled to decide upon the subje&t. our navigation and commerce.
He rose to congratulate their Lordships, [pect to the armament which we made, the and the country, on the prospect of peace circumstances of the times demanded it, and that opened to them; the continuance of the cause of offence was considered of suf- peace was, he was confident to declare, an ficient import to warrant it; for of what use inestimable hlesling to this country at prewould our remonftrances to the Court of fent. Without meaning, however, to de Spain have been, had we not fewn a deter- tract in the smallest degree from the merit mined resolution to follow such remonftrance of Administation in having brought the difup by vigorous action ? On this ground his ferences with the Conrt of Spain to a fortuLordship approved the conduct of his Ma- nate termination (whatever merit it should jesty's Ministers in their late exertions to hereafter arrear Administration were entisupport and maintain the honour of this na- tled to), he thought it incumbent on him to tion, which, he faid, was effected in a man- assert, that under the blessing of Providence ner that redounded to the credit of his Ma- he believed the enjoyment of a continuance jesty's servants, and to the interest of the na- of peace was principally owing to the revotion; and his Lordship was persuaded, that lution in France. "That event had reconin a short time, this country would find that ciled a free people, who were formerly conit has gained more hy the force which Mi- sidered as our natural enemies, to the people niftry took into their own hands, than we of this country. If, therefore, their LordThould probably have done after a long, ships were fincere in their congratulations bloody, and expensive war. After dwelling on the prospect of an uninterrupted peace, for some time upon this subject, his Lord- and wished to maintain it, they would natuthip next took potice of the other parts of rally look to the best means of obtaining his Majeity's speech, and exprelling himfelf that end, and rendering the peace pernain terms of condolence, for the loss the Royal nent. No' means, in his opinion, were so Family sustained by the death of his Royal likely to answer this purpose as an alliance Highness the Duke of Cumberland, moved, with France. ' Great Britain and France, “ That a** humble address be presented to the two most powerful free nations in Euhis Majesty, for his most gracious speech rope, were they united by tresty, might bid from the throne ”-His Lordship then read defiance to all their enemies. They might the address; which, as usual, was a mere secure themselves from the attack of any inecho of the speech; there being no difference dividual state, and easily repel the attempts in substance, except one paffage, wherein of almost every possible combination of their Lordihips condole with his Majesty for power. His Lordihip faid, he should not the death of his Royal Brother.
thus early have broached this fentiment, had As soon as his Lordhip finished reading not a moft extraordiuary publication made the addıcís,
its appearance in this country, since their Lord Harstvicke rose to second the motion, Lordships had last met together-A publiBut obicrved, that it would be unneceitary cation containing a grofs libel upon the King. for him to trouble their Lordinips for any Several Lords smiling at the affertioo, his length of time, after the proper observations Lordship said, he meant not a piece of poemade ly the Noble Lord who had gone be- try, for poetry deferved not a serious answer, fore him. His Lordship faid, that every fa- but the publication he alluded to was a tislacion necessary to be required, had been book, not fent forth without a name, not obtained ; that the honour of the British Hag, coming from an obscure and insignificant inthe only protecion to British merchant dividual, but from no less a man than the veflc's, had beer preferved; and that the late first Minifter of France, Monfieur de country had obtaincd advantages that put Calonne! He would fate to their Lordships the exp rice the nation had incurred in its what Mongeur de Caloune had said, and if freparations for war, out of confideration. they had the smallest doubt of his correctHis Lordship concluded by obfervirg, that nelé, his Lordfhip declared, he would instantin an unanimous vote for the address just ly produce the original words. After treatmoved, their Lordt.ips would not only car- ing of the advantages of a civil war in ry up to his Majefty the sense of their Lord France, which Monsieur de Calonne so pa
thetically recommends, he declares that Court of Spain, together with a translation those who promoted a civil war in France, of the fame. As also accounts of the exwould be pritected and encouraged by all the Sove. pences of the arrrament, fo far as the same reigns of Europe. This assertion being couch- could yet be ascertained. Ordered to lie on ed in fuch general terms, necessarily includes the table. the King of Great Britain, and his Majesty, Mr Grey observed, that before the House he was persuaded, entertained no such in- could enter upon the discullion of the merits tention, neither did he believe that any of of the Convention, several papers would be his Ministers harboured sentiments of ihat required to illustrate the subjec. He there. fort. If they did, it was high time that fore wished to know, if the Rt. Hon. Genthey spoke out, and that the county should tleman meart to ing them forward. know what their sentiments were, and for Mir Pitt replied, that he knew of no other what objects the blood and treasure of Great papers which were neceffary to enable the Britain were likely to be spent. But his House to consider the merits of the ConLordship said, he was satisfied, the affertion vention, ard he had received no commands was a lidel on the King, his Ministers, and from his Majesty to lay any other papers the country, and that it was utterly unfound before them than those which he now proed. By a letter, which his Loramip inform- duced. ed the House he had received from Paris, Mr Grey then gave notice, that he would, since he came to town, he was assured, that in the course of a few days, call the attenthe publication had already provoked a viti- tion of the House to that subject. ble sensation in France, and as their Lordthips well knew, that many Englitunen
December 7. were at present in Paris, and many Scotch and Irish dispersed throughout the kingdom The Speaker having put the question upon of France, it would be a good joke, if their the resolution of the Committee, to allow countrymen were to suffer for the false im- 24,000 seamen, including marines, for the putation of Monsieur de Calonne. He thanke naval service of next year, ed God, that they had among them a Peer, Mr Fox rose and observed, that he could and that Nobleman a most respectable man, not think of agreeing to this resolution, who had folemnly declared, “ hè never withone making a few remarks, especially would desert his King;" he hoped, there as he had heard from an Hon. Geneleman, fore, that Noble Lord would stand up and not now in his place (Mr Pitt), the King's defend his Majesty from calumny, and pro- Ministers meant, is itating the expences ico teci him from the scandaloua libel of Monf. cellzy to be provided for, to make a clear de Caloane. His Lordihip declared, that distinction between that which was incurred he knew of no law of this country that au- entirely in consequence of the late armament, thorised any man to impute intentions to lis and that which was to be the current esMajesty which did not belong to him, and perce of the year, having noconnexion whatmuch less did it beconie a ttranger to take ever with the charges of the arniament. thar liberty. On this and various other con- But this, if he was to judge from the refoine' fiderations the Earl Aattered himself that the tion before them, if no farther explanation Noble Lord, to whom he had just alluded, was given by those who knew the li crets of would publicly reprobate the passage of M. Governmeni, and could only give such inde Calonne's book that he had stated, and formation, was not meantto be done. Mr Fox, manifest to the world that it had excited the faid, he believed his opposition ought more indignation of those whose molt peculiar ducy properly to have been yesterday ; buc as he it was to guard their Sovereign against the and nuany other gentlemen were ablent on malignant venom of a false and unwarrant- Saturday, when notice was given that there able libel.
estimates were in be moved on Monday, he His Lordship's speech, tho' not couched knew nothing of the matter till to-day, and cłaAly in these words, was pretty nearly to he could produce many respectable witneiles the effect of what we have above stated. in the House that would join with him in
As soon as Earl Stanhope fat down, the faying, that it was by no means the general Lord Chancellor pat the question upon the idea amongst the Meinbers that such a mocion for the address, when it was declared, motion would come on fo early. that the contents had it neruine diffentiente.
He said, that to give a vcte for so great
an increase, as from 18,000, the last peace HOUSE OP COMMONS. establishment, to 24.000, as now proposed,
without being potefsed of sufficient and 12FRIDAY, Dec. 3.
tisfactory information as to the neceflity of
that extraordinary burthen upog the counThe Chancellor of the Exchequer presented try, would be acting inconsistent with the the Declaration, Counter-declaration, and duty which every member owed his conthe wticles of the Convention with the titüents, and what he would never be guil.
Parliamentary Intell gence. ty of. No man was a warmer advocate nisters considered that the present state of for a liberal confidence in the King's Mi- Europe demanded that a greater naval force nifters for the time than he was, well should be kept up than the last peace estaknowing that there might very properly be blishment, at least for a short time; and that secret motives for their conduct, which the they took this to be the policy which Enge fafety of the state required to be kept from land onght to follow in the present fitua. the knowledge of the public; at the same, tion of affairs. He faid, that it would very he thought that the house had an undoubt- soon, in the course of the business which he ed title, as trustees and guardians of the meant to submit to the Houfe, be necessary public treasure, to every information rela- to examine the peace establishments that had tive to its expenditure, that could be obe taken place at different times previous to tained without endängering the safety of settling what onght, in the present circumthe state, by harralling Ministers to disclose stances, to be the permanent citabilinment; what ought to remain secret. - What he but he did not think it would be poffible to plainly and fimply wished to know he should bring that on before Christmas, as it would fate thus : Firt, Whether from the pre- require much serious confideration, and was a fent situation of this country, and the gene- fuinject which he, as much as any body, ral ate of Europe, his Majesty's Minifters withed might meet with an ample discuscon dered it to be the necessary policy of fion. this country to keep up a greater naval ef- Mr Fos', in reply, said, that finding from tablishment than was formerly done in what had fallen from the Right Honouratime of peace ! Or secondly, whether it bie Gentleman, that this Majesty's Miniswas intended entirely to alter the former ters considered it to be the policy of this System, and to make a permanent increale country, from the general Nate of Europe at of the peace establishntert?-On the first present, to increase the peace establishment, point he could not say that he was inclined he would most cheerfully give his vote for to argue now, because he was not in polief- the motio:1, reserving to limself, however, fion of such suficient information as his Ma- the right to rafon upon the general state jesty's Ministers must he, from their oficis of Europe, and the present Itate of this al situations ; he was sorry he did not fee' country, when other matters might be unthe Right Honourable Gentleman in his der discusion to which that reasoning place, but he saw others materially connect would apply. ed withi the naval department, whom he The Speaker then put the question, that made no doubt were able to answer him this refolution be read a second time which perfelly. As to the second poirit, he cer- was carried jainly would not vote for any increase of the Mr Blartir presented a petition from peace establishment that must bring a per- John Horne Troke, Llq; the contents of manent additional burthen upon the coun- which were, as follows: try; his conscience di&atcd to him that he “ That be, as an elector of the city of ought to make this enquiry, and he trusted Weltminiter, obferved, with great concern, he hould have an explicit answer, other- the constant outrages and acts of violence wise hc Mould not vote for the resolucion committed during the time of Election for now moved.
members to serve in parliament for that 'The Cbancellor of the Exchequer said, he city, and which still continued, as if no understood that the Right Honourable Gen- Attorney.general was in being, or no tleman was very desirous to have an exact House of Commons in the nation-That account of the expences attending the late 17,000 electors of Weítininfter, who have armappent, distinct from the estimates of all a right to vote for representatives, have the current year; and as far as it was posli. been deprived of their franchifes. That the ble to separate them, he would he ready great expence attending appeals to that to state to the House, and could assure the House, from persons who are declared to be Right Honourable Gentleman, that it was not elected, is so heavy, as renders it almost his intention to lay before the House a very impossible for any man to bring his comparticular and minute detail of every article plaint before that i lquse, which, although that had been done in consequence of the still called the Houle of Commons, it is no tate diference with the Court of Spain, and torious that places, or seats, in that House, the consequent armament. With regard to are constantly bought and sold, the same as the present vote for 24,000 seamen, he did stands in a market. It then takes notice not think it was peftible entirely to separate of the election in 1784, and that wherein that from the current expences, becanfe the Lord John Townshend was returned memvisinantling of so great a fleet could take ' ber, and of which election the petitioner place but gradually, and there miglit even complains, as well as of the return made at Le a necesity for keeping up a greater peace the last election. The petition concludes establishment than formerly, as he would with a prayer, that the House will take not hestate to say, that bjó Majcily's Mi- fuch measures as oray in future regulate the
mode of fiâion for the city of West- did directly atone for that aggression minster.”
The next confideration is the injury; Upon the above petition being read by and it is now the duty of your Lordthe clerk, the House appeared in no ships to see whether the Convention does small state of confusion, not knowiny, ņot amply repair the damage ; and whe from its very extraordinary tendency, ther it does not also procure for England its contemptunus language, and the nö. advantages of a high and important velty of its prayer, under what head kind. Look, my Lords, to the firft and of petitions it should be clased. It is second Articles of the Convention, and however necessary, according to act of you will see that reftitutio: is to be inade, Parliament, to fix a day and hour for and reparation to the parties injured. considering of all petitions touching elec. But this is not all-What has been su!). tions; and in confequence of that ject of litigation, is now finally adjusted, act, it was appointed for the 4th of Fe- and Spain concedes the navigation of bruary
those feas. We are not only restored to
Nootka, but may participate in a more HOUSE OF LORDS, northern lettlemnent, if preferable fo MONDAY, Dec. 13.
the carrying on the trade. The great The Earl of Kinnoul moved for the queftion of the Southern Fishery.js finaily, production of all Memorials presented to ellablihed, on such grounds as muft preand received from Spain, between toth vent all future dispute.-Advantageous of July, and 28th of O&ober laft, re- permission is given us to erect temporary lative to the ships captured in Nootk3 buildings; and by a ftipulation of the Sound, and the negociation that follow- utmost importance, all violence, in cafe's ed thereon.
of infraction, arc prohibited no officer The motion being opposed by the must venture to seize a vesset which he Duke of Montrole, and the queflion may deem to have infringed the Treaty, put, it passed in the negative.
but he must content himfelf with writing The order of the dày was then read bome to his Court. These, my Lords, for taking into confideration the declara: are advantag:s of a very important kin! fion and counter-declaration and conven: derived from this Convention, and which tion with Spain.
amply repay the amount of the fum The Duke of Montrofe. I now rise which the armament has coft. And to call your Lordships attention to the yet, out of doors, I have heard of mur. discussion of these important papers, and murs that the expence was
not only enorto move an Address of thanks to his Ma- mously great lúc unneceffarily incurred. jesty thereon. My Lords, the paternal If there are any considerable men in this goodnels of his Majesty, displayed in his House who are of that opinion, I hopo expressions of anxiety for the continu- they will come forward and state expliance of the blessings of peace; call upon citly their reasons for fo thinking. I us for the warmeft testimonies of grate. frankly ftate my confidence in his Maful affection, and particularly as we find jesty's Ministers, and I think them highhy these important papers, that his Ma- ly deserving of the fupport of your Loitto jefty evidently felt an equal anxiety
for ships, and of thanks for the dignified and the honour of his Crown, and the esen- prudent manner in which they have cond tial intereits of his peopie. The wildom ducted this negociation ; I beg leave, and dignity with which the negociation now, my Lords; to move, has been conducted, has not only pro ov ed to his Majesty, humbly to express
“ That an humble Address be presentferved to us those blessings of peace, at all times fo defirabie, bu kias preferved “ to his Majesty, that, having taken to the nation advantages highly impor. " into confideration the Declaratios' tant to its navigation and commerce. " exchanged between his Majesty's AmThe dispute between the Courts of Great “ bassador and the Minister of the Britain and Spain, as stated in his Ma- “ Catholic King, and the Conven. jesty's message of May. laft, is naturally “ tion, since concluded for terminating to be viewed in two lights-in the insult “ the difference which had arisea with on the flag of Britain and in the injury "the Court of Spain : done to its trade. His Majefly declared “ That this Houie feel themselves in his message, that the infult must be “ hound to return luis Majesty their most repaired previous to any discullion of " dutiful acknowledgements for the pathe injury; and we fee, that accordingly • ternal regard to the righis and intertiir Di claration of the Catholic King, “ elts of his people, manifalled on the Vou. XII. No:72.
Pariannntary Intelligencev cofion of obtaining a suitable repa. tinue to give is. In my prof=sanat
rating tirthe act of violence commir- capaciry I would wiri proinptirode go "Slezl at voork.', and removing the forth at the command of my Sovereiz grourids of finila: disputes in fuo ani disciarge the duty confied in one
by my commander, without inquiry * An to express to his Majeity, and without diftruft; but the war b.ing " ?10 they looked with coufile: ce to over, I wvuld, in my place in this as the zealand? alacıily of his Majelly's licuse, think myself bouni 19 cali on " servants, te poweriui preparations Miniers to prove the jutrice of the war " that were made, and the unaniinity, in which they had invoived iheir coun« spirit and ar dour of the nation at 12182 try. Last year Ministers thought pra
for feediiy effecting the same valu', per t) refule us all information. Even "bie olj iś which his Majefty has to the date of a refcrip' was improper to
happily accomplished without an ac be given, although toe Cure of Spain “ tuz! interruption of the bluling of could not possibly acquire, by addit. " peace,
cloture any inicrmacion which they add The Earl of G'agow fucorded the pot previously polttis. But is it now to Borica.
be denied? And are we to facrifice Lord....z.de:1.— I rise, my Lords, with functions-o overlook our duty--and to 1:11:2line's, to give a negative in the mo- pals a voie of approbation, without con cf the noble Date, because no knowing whether inihers may not be Torit would have risen with in re fc:: actually criminal in what they have Punt alacrity than myself to have joined cone? Supnose, my Lords, that the in eo fiors of grabitude and thanks to Commons Llouse of Parliament houl!, liis Majcity for the ferimen's of benevo. in process of time, find ground for the c?t regard to the happiness of his pene impeachment of Ministers in this very ple, which his Majeliy's most gracious Negociation, should we not go into pxeech breathed: Put minifters have Westminster Hall under awkward cirricught fit to couple the grcat conven- cundances, with the prejudgment of rica wit's the action for the eldorets, this Addre's in our Journais; that they may seize on ike !cyalty of The noble Duke fays, that the points we leat, and bend it to iheir te: .po- to be confidered are-I, Whether the Tory ułe. I prelune, tvey think it a infult giver to the national honour be naiicr of convenience, thus to draw atoned for amply !--and 2, Whether from certain equivocal exprilicni, an the advantages gained are equal to the opinion that may afterwards be set up injury and expence! I diffent totally : o preciule the Houle f: on all fu'ure dil from this fatement. The fick and ot cution. If I knew any way of retain. vious quellim isll'as there an insult de lo much of the Duke's motion for given to the national honour? He palles an Addres, 23 finply expressed the over this eituntial first enquiry, for the tanks of the House for his Majesty's belt of all reafons, becaule he fecs Migoodness, I would be proud to preserve nifters have denieil the House the means she unnir.iry which was mani elled on of ascertaining the fact. the return to his speech ; but they have No noble Lord can be more decided so adro.tly incorporated the approbation than myselt in the opinion that national of the measure, that I am redurid to honour is a fubftantial ground for war. tlie necemy of moring an Acurrío «f The honour of a nation is as facred and Thanks to his Majesty unconnected with as delicate as the honour of a gentleoiher matie::
man. The nation that submits to be inWe know nothing myLords, of the true sulted is of a quality that requires not history of the negociation, on the conduct time and calculation to comprehend. and stue of which minifters call for our It is fels the moment that it is committhanks. They withheld from us the ted. It is not like : damage 10 be means of judizinent, and yet claim our weighed and balanced--Pure spirit and: praile. Cinfidence, that generous quali- proper feeling act the wonuent they are jy which led us, in our di liberative cae affailed. How did his Majesty's Minipacity in the last feffion of the lait Parlia. Aters treat this pretended insult? We inani, to trust them implicitly with the kno'y from the published memorials of conduct of the negociation, would change M. de Florida Barua, and M. de V31. its character, and become something even guyon, (which I quote, because no Miworse than weakness; if now that the mifier, how-vri rey may withold paa egotiation is ended, we were to con. pers from the hou's will invalidate their