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m't be necessary with the holy done. In order to understand see; it also appeared to stand exactly the proposed plan of doExte favourably with respect to mestic nomination of all future the petimers themselves. First, bishops, it was necessary that the t stated themselves to be will- House should know the proceed") arquiesce in the form of ings which now took place for t/min proposed to them in the filling a bishop's see when vacant. ..] of 1913. Secondly, as to the The bishops of the province in

te of bishops, it was, in which he had been situated as. - , necessary to take away sembled together, and having confrown the Pope the virtual nomi- sulted with the priest of the vacant

va of the Catholic bishops in diocese, named certain persons as * kingdom ; and if this plan fit to be chosen by the Pope for Urte singured, he was not inclined the new bishop. It had been » Srebude more danger to the nearly the constant practice of the

rh establishment from hence, Pope to choose the person whose Pan from the elections without name stood first on the list ; but Dinterference of government in there was no law to compel him

chorah of Scotland. There to do so. It was to exclude the ** a third point not taken notice possibility of any such proceedId 'n the (atholic petitions, which ing, and to render all future ap3-rarn to him of importance pointments entirely those of the

9 rrard to security; which Catholic Irish priests and bishops, - 2 of the regrum erequatur, that it was now proposed that the Top 12:** platitum, which ad Pope should issue a concordat by *** the right of all govern- which he should bind himself to cr... to insport every bull, re: appoint no person to be a bishop

of other document coming in Ireland, except such as should

RAP, previous to publica- be in the first place elected by the e end of authorising it (except Irish clergy themselves. It was :7*** trliting merely to points then proposed by the Catholic met comes wr), in the same manner bishops to have the following pro

- all the other states of Eu- visions inserted in every bill.

, (attric or Non-Catholic. [These were provisos stipulating Iso be sujo[***ed, would not be that no Roman Catholic clergy

d to try any rational Roman man shall be elected a bishop who assis as a mrasure of security, is not a native of his Majesty's

b be, for one, looked for- dominions, and who has not taken -14 as an posential part of any an elective oath guarding church ! ! aursement.

and state from any future danley Parnell returned gers.) As the Pope hnd commu9**** t Mr. Yorke for his very nicated his readiness to give his ot, modul, and conciliating consent to this plan of electing

. and he buped to be able the bishops by a larger number satisfy hun that the Catholics of clergy than had hitherto been te parfetely willing to do all concerned in the nomination, and

un which the right hon. also to grant the necessary con: LLID required should be cordatum to bind himself to give

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institution to the person so elected, curity, he declared that he found all possibility of foreign influ- himself, as on foriner occasions, ence in the appointment would bound in duty to support his riglit be completely excluded, and the honourable friend's motion. He was selection of a proper person would persuaded that the question could be secured by the oath above not be otherwise got rid of. He Inentioned.

saw no danger in the measure ; Mr. Webber in a long speech and he did not believe that the gave a detailed view of all that quantum of power which it would had occurred respecting the Ro- give the Catholics would enable man (atholics of Ireland, from them to do mischief, even if they which he drew the inference, that were su disposed. the measure now proposed is Mr. Peel, after some prelimia utterly hopeless as a plan of nary observations, said, that there conciliation.

are two systems possible to be M. Bathurst, in speaking against adopted in Ireland, Letu een which the motion, said, that one of the we must make our choice: the most extraordinary assumptions one is that on which we are act. in the arguments on this occasion ing at present, the other that which was, that things were now brought we are called upon to substitute to such a state, that some change in its place. By the first we give must be effected in the laws re- every toleration to the faith of specting the Roinan Catholics. the majority, but maintain that This he denied in toto; and main- of the minority as the religion tained, that unless the llouse u as of the state. We exlude them prepared to overturn the funda- friin offices which are immedia niental principles of thic cunstiiuat ly connected with the govern. tion, it was impossible to accedement of the country, admitting to the concession called for. them generally to all other ofhoes

Lord Castlereazh said, that one and distinctions. This system it of the difficulties which attended is proposed to replace by another, this discussion was, that it was which shall equally profess to scarcely possible to arducc one maintain the religion of the mi. new argument or new wpic wbuch nonty, as the established religion, was not alıeady exhaustcil on each but shell open to the Roman (a. side of the question. At the sancthulies both Houses of Parlia. time it was not the less lacessary ment, and every office in lieland, that l'arliainent should, with all exclusie of that lord lieutenant. convenient speed, deliver itself li will be my purpose to prove from the agitation of this painful that the low we are now aling subject. It was, however, to be upon is preferable to that which recollected, that there was no pro. it is proposed to substitute in its bability that this question could roon. Do not supprise (and Mr. be laid asleep. by persisting in a P.) that I think that they cousti. system of permanent exclusion tute in the altract a perfect !. After the noble lord had delivered tem, or that I rejuice in the er. his opinion with respect to the clusions and disabilities which subjects of concession and se they induce. I regret that they

re nevessary, but I firmly believe whom it is placed ? This is a sys

u cannot alter them in any tem which cannot last : depend

al point for the better. upon it that it cannot. If you N P then entered into an exa- exclude the people from connex. 3 238.0 of the existing laws, ion with their own state, they *** Le meant to be proposed will in the natural course of

suply their places, and in things attach themselves elsepor LA.ince he attempted to where. One part of the Irish po.., that remaining just where pulation is morbid and excluded ; *are is the safe an: solid another is unnaturally vivacions. l of defence.

Let a new order of things mark V. G'utlin made a concluding the times in which we live; ard . with much force and ani- let an immediate and effectual ter

lle begin with posi- mination be put to any clandestine y denying ibat there wits any intercourse between the Catholics

taprisition in the Catho- and the sce of Rome. > "et to any serurity; for The right hon gentleinan's pero* 4:15 for the sound of the whole ration was to the following effect :

for the gool of the Catholic. “When I see Britain grown up inthe one anonsunk this idea to a con- to a mighty empire; when I behold

my knigth, he said, some her at the head of the nations of >;. stlernen speck of the the earth ; when I contemplate her • "'. ani, the state, and reli- power and majesty; I own that I

** ,pi'e to the motion. am deeply astonished to find her 1.24.0 mile in what the dun- descending from her elevation to

*** ci-. Inul they do so, mix in the disputes of schoolmen :-!arments are of no avail. and the wrangling of theologians,

- the finenda:ion of facts who, while they seek for their ir pohony consequences, for own purposes to torture their : tame of perpetuatir; dis- countrymen, endanger the secu

138 on their fellow sub- ri:y of their cornion country." 11. (athilic claims have The question being at length byen atating for nine-and- luudly called for, there appearer smrs. They have gone For the motion

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Against it.

915 d'a! their interest doubles at - to.41**jn. In the e dis

Majority & doubt individual irrikus excasionally appeared, On May 16, the Earl of Don

wyn fuas urrasionally been oughmore rose in the House of ??.*o the minds of the Irish Lords to move for a committee

-3. Is this state of things to consider the petitions of his wel to exist any longer? Majesty's Roman Catholic subF cuontinue that sort of jecti. Ile said, that he had caused

Ponun in Ireland, to be placed upon their lordships boca settlemnt, and table two petitions which he had

po de defended by an the honour of presenting to the e box the people ones llouse during the last session, on


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the same subject. One of these the present practice, yet a great was that of the Roman Catholic deal is given in confirming for nobility and other respectable ever the principle of domestic nopersons of the laity; the other that mination. As to the veto, bis of the prelates and clergy of the lordship ach nowledged he cannot Roman Catholic church. Both of offer that, since he certainly dis. these parties were equally desirous approves of it as a member of of again offering their petitions Parliament, being convinced that to the view of their lordships; it it would commit the Catholic is necessary, therefore (said the prelacy and priesthood most ctfecLarl) tha: the House should be tually to the Irish provincial go. perfectly aware that they have now vernment. He objected also to the before them the whole Catholic payment of the Catholic church people of Ireland, represented by by the state, as a inode which these, their humble petitioners. would destroy the just reward

His lordship proceeded to say, which they receive for their relithat thinking it his duty to ab- gious labours. My measure, said stain ns much as possible from all his lordship, is a direct and absogeneralities, he should prefer lay. lute nomination, which is what I ing the case of the petitioners mean to propose if you shall be before the House in the shape of plea-ed to go into a committee. a refutation of those caluinnies The Earl then an wered those with which they have been so in- arguments which he found scatdustriou-ly loaded. In the course tered here and there in different which he had chalked out for publications relative to the subhimself, the first objection which ject. In general they seemed to occurred might seem rather to require little attention; but one, suit the period when their lords which bears hard on the Pope ships hu gone into a committee. for his anathemas against sending The Catholics might previously forth the Scriptures among (athi. be asked, “What is your object? lics without a commentary, reWe will not go into a committre to crised a retort which, as respeito grope our way in the dark, and ing the Pope, appears unanswerseek out principles for you." But able. If it can be shown (mays it appars from the public press his lord-hip) that reverend divines thuit securities of a threefold na- of high rank in this country have ture have been devised; namely, held a similar principle, then this domestic nomination; the situ- act cannot be alleged against the rity called the veto; and the pay- head of the Catholic church as an ment by government of the Ci intolerant one. There are, my tholic church. With respect to Lords, two members of that redomestic nomination, the enemies verend bench who are most of the Catholics say that this is no strongly opposed to the system of new security at all, for such has disseminating the Bible without been the ancient mole of electing a suitable (uminent. I wish to Catholic bi-lops almost without avoid any possible misrepresentaan exception. But though this is tion, and to pay every mark of Giving nothing new, louhing to respect to the right reverend pre


beter oposite me, and have there. with moving, “ That this House freaped fruin the pamphlet, do resolve itself into a committee

d by him on the subject of the whole House, to consider af brike societies, his own words. the petitions of his Majesty's Ro. Tv Words made use of by the man Catholic subjects." Str. prelate, (the Bishop of The speeches on each side were Lass) are these.“ But it is upon the whole so similar to those cond, if you still require that the delivered in the House of Com24, however extensively you mons, that little addition by way zu wish to distribute it, should of argument can be expected from * rumpanied by the liturgy, them. It may, however, be de

y must certainly suspect that sirable to give a view of what the te is danger to the established Earl of Lirerpool, regarded as the

* from the distribution of prime minister of this country, sebe alone. Here let me ask considered as the leading point.

er the Bible itself is not I now come (said his lordship) E of perversion? Whether to the main question : Are the e best of books may not be Catholics entitled to enjoy priviEmpired to the worst of pur- leges equal to those enjoyed by

Have we not inspired the members of the established Lov&.ty for answering this ques. religion? It has been well obLe in the affirmative?-But if served, that in point of abstract > > lect to provide the por of principle, no description of perselishment with the book sons can complain of unequal pri(wo Prayer as well as with vileges who voluntarily place

Be, we certainly neglect themselves in a situation by which

means of preventing their they forfeit their right to equal --- 1un from the established privileges. I ask, not only as it

r. The dissenters remain affects the Catholics, but as it & vestets, because they use not affects every other body of dis

Curry; and churchmen will senters from the establishment; do pro ex Cissenters if they likewise they, when they require equal priorgo-to use it with the people. vileges, offer equal conditions ? time the persons to whom Bibles If they do not, can it be conR** vratlitusly distributed either tended that there is any injustice Er sure, or the inclination, or in distinguishing between them? Le nosty, to weigh the argu. I have always considered that the Bocis fur religious opinions? Do civil establishment was necessa

e punen the knowledge or the rily interwoven with the church rent which are necessary to establishment. This will be found

non in the choice of their a leading and unalienable princi66. Muse they not learn it, ple in the earlier periods of our irre, frem their instructors history. It was the leading prin.

can there be a better in. ciple at the period of the Revolu***1.7, in the opinion of church- tion, when the connexion between Pr, ikan the book of Common the state and the church was so

lemnly recognized. On that I i Earl concluded his speech rest : 'to that I will adhere. The


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