Why then give over to be king."-Bacon.

"Yet gives not o'er, though desperate of success." Milton.

"Must we now give o'er."-Denham.

"It would be well for all authors if they knew when to give over."-Addison.

Johnson pronounces "aback" to be "obsolete." ED. MARSHall.

ABRAHAM LINCOLN (8th S. x. 436).-Through the courtesy of Mr. B. C. Dixon, of Streatham, I am enabled to answer my own query at this reference. The book inquired for is A Memorial Lincoln Bibliography, &c., by A. Boyd (Albany, New York, 1870, 8vo.). G. L. APPERSON.

WYVILL (8th S. x. 336).-The name of Zerubbabel Wyvill (1762-1837), a native of Maidenhead, appears in David Baptie's' Handbook of Musical Biography.' GUALTERULUS.

HAYNE: HAYNES (8th S. x. 515).-A good many years ago I was lodging at St. Ives, Cornwall, with a little niece. The child wanted very much to bathe, but having no ladies with me, and the tents being in charge of men only, I was puzzled how to manage it till the Mayoress of St. Ives kindly volunteered to take charge of her. That lady was a Mrs. Edward Hain, which will add another to MR. HAINES's many spellings. I afterwards found the name so spelt was common there. C. F. S. WARREN, M.A.

Longford, Coventry. In the West of England this surname may be safely derived from the Welsh and Cornish hen= old, the elder. Compare Vaughan, from Vychan the little, the younger. Probably the " up

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markable instance of a clergyman holding the same REV. G. A. FIRTH (8th S. x. 153, 206).—A reliving for a period far longer than that recorded at the first reference is given in the Times of 12 Sept., 1896. It is there stated that the Rev. and the Hon. George Gustavus Chetwynd Talbot, recently deceased,

"was the third son of the second Earl Talbot, and was born in 1810. He was educated at Christ Church, Oxford, where he took his bachelor's degree in 1831, and was ordained priest in 1834 by the then Bishop of Gloucester, Dr. Monk. In the same year he was appointed down to his death for the long period of sixty-two years." rector of Withington, Gloucestershire, which he held

C. M. P.

The Rev. Bartholomew Edwards, M. A.—B. A. 1811-St. John's, Cambridge, was appointed to the rectory of Ashill, Norfolk, in 1813, and died 21 Feb., 1889, within a few days of completing his hundredth year, and after having resided at Ashill for an unbroken period of seventy-six years. See a memoir in the St. John's magazine, the Eagle, xv. 481. P. J. F. GANTILLON.

Nearly ten years ago (7th S. ii. 344) I asked a question concerning the Rev. Gregory Palmer, minister of West Haddon, Northamptonshire, in the seventeenth century. He was vicar for more than fifty-two years, having been born in the parish. He died also and was buried at West Haddon, case must be well-nigh unique. where his tomb may still be seen. I imagine his

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land Christopher Wharton married Mary Cowdray. One of his cousins, William Wharton, married Mary, daughter of Owen Bray, of Shere, Surrey (d. 1563?). A. C. H.

PEACOCK FEATHERS UNLUCKY (8th S. iv. 426, 531; v. 75, 167; ix. 408, 458; x. 33, 358, 479). -It may be noted that peacocks' feathers are not uncommon in German heraldry, and thus can hardly have been considered unlucky in old days. In the Ritter-Saal of this old castle of the Habsburgs is a fresco in which the Habsburger is represented bearing peacocks' feathers in his helmet. And the mane of the Habsburg lion is to be seen here, and elsewhere, ornamented with peacocks' feathers. Some of the reigning families of Germany, e. g., Anhalt, Mecklenburg, &c., bear peacocks' feathers, either as a crest or with the crest. Further, Schiller, in 'William Tell,' alludes to them as a knightly ornament, old Attinghauser saying to Rudenz

Die Pfauenfeder trägst du stolz zur Schau. I think other correspondents have already noticed that in the East peacocks' feathers are carried as a symbol of royalty. The durbar furniture of the Resident at Nagpore included, besides sundry silver maces and staves, a 66 chowrie," or fly-wisp, with a solid gold handle, and a "trophy of peacocks' feathers" with a similar gold handle. And such articles are to be seen at most durbars. J. H. RIVETT-CARNAC. Schloss Wildeck, Switzerland.

From the following extract from Taylor's 'Churches Deliverances' it would appear that peacocks' feathers were the insignia of some Papal decoration. Stukeley was an ambitious Englishman, much lauded by Elizabethan poets, more especially by George Peele in the Battle of Alcazar':

And Stukeley from the Pope a prize had wonne
A holy peacock's taile (a proper toy).
P. 143, ed. 1630.
W. A. HENDERSON.

Dublin.

seq.

"FORESTER" (8th S. x. 255, 301, 345).-MR. BRADLEY may like to be referred to one of Mr. John Murray's publications in 1895, viz., "The New Forest, by Rose C. de Crespigny and Horace Hutchinson, with illustrations. At p. 144 et there is an account of the Forest ponies and some remarks on their supposed descent. I only had ten minutes' glimpse of the book, but I noticed that the Forest geese are warmly praised for their intelligence and other mental qualities. They roam the forest at their own sweet will by day, and return home, unsolicited, at nightfall. I have always thought the goose a much maligned volatile. The Romans knew better than the detractors of

who remarks that the goose is a better farmyard sentinel than the dog, the latter being sometimes silenced by a bribe of food, whereas the goose is disturbed and cackles at the slightest sounds at night, and is noisiest when fed. H. E. M. St. Petersburg.

ENGLISH AND SCOTCH STUDENTS AT PADUA (8th S. viii. 223, 233, 411; ix. 329).—Since making my previous communications on this subject, I find that the "Gabriel Onifield" of the lists therein given is identical with Gabriel Honyfield, of Westwell (near Ashford), co. Kent, M.D., son and heir of Richard Honyfield, gent., and who was living in 1677, and party to an indenture of that date, together with Jane Honyfield, of the same place, widow, and James Symons, of Aldington (near Hythe), same county, &c., relating to a messuage, &c., in Aldington aforesaid. This Dr. Honyfield does not, however, appear to have been a member of the London College of Physicians. W. I. R. V.

"PINASEED" (8th S. x. 212, 320, 402).-Really and truly "pinaseed" is a condensation of "a pin to see it." A pin was the charge for looking at the "flower mosaic," nor would children unfold the pin-show unless the fee was paid in advance. "Seed" is a pronunciation of saw in the county of Derby. The "pinaseed " lines mostly used were: Gimmy a pin, ter stick imershin An' ahl pag yer off ter Darby,

"LEAVE OFF": "ABACK" (8th S. x. 356).-If the best English is that which is best "under

land Christopher Wharton married Mary Cowdray. One of his cousins, William Wharton, married Mary, daughter of Owen Bray, of Shere, Surrey (d. 1563 ?). A. C. H.

PEACOCK FEATHERS UNLUCKY (8th S. iv. 426, 531; v. 75, 167; ix. 408, 458; x. 33, 358, 479). -It may be noted that peacocks' feathers are not uncommon in German heraldry, and thus can hardly have been considered unlucky in old days. In the Ritter-Saal of this old castle of the Habsburgs is a fresco in which the Habsburger is represented bearing peacocks' feathers in his helmet. And the mane of the Habsburg lion is to be seen here, and elsewhere, ornamented with peacocks' feathers. Some of the reigning families of Germany, e. g., Anhalt, Mecklenburg, &c., bear peacocks' feathers, either as a crest or with the crest. Further, Schiller, in 'William Tell,' alludes to them as a knightly ornament, old Attinghauser saying to Rudenz

Die Pfauenfeder trägst du stolz zur Schau. I think other correspondents have already noticed that in the East peacocks' feathers are carried as a symbol of royalty. The durbar furniture of the Resident at Nagpore included, besides sundry silver maces and staves, a "chowrie," or fly-wisp, with a solid gold handle, and a "trophy of peacocks' feathers" with a similar gold handle. And such articles are to be seen at most durbars. J. H. RIVETT-CARNAC. Schloss Wildeck, Switzerland.

From the following extract from Taylor's 'Churches Deliverances' it would appear that peacocks' feathers were the insignia of some Papal decoration. Stukeley was an ambitious Englishman, much lauded by Elizabethan poets, more especially by George Peele in the Battle of Alcazar':

And Stukeley from the Pope a prize had wonne
A holy peacock's taile (a proper toy).
P. 143, ed. 1630.
W. A. HENDERSON.

Dublin.

"FORESTER" (8th S. x. 255, 301, 345).—Mr. BRADLEY may like to be referred to one of Mr. John Murray's publications in 1895, viz., 'The New Forest, by Rose C. de Crespigny and Horace Hutchinson, with illustrations. At p. 144 et seq. there is an account of the Forest ponies and some remarks on their supposed descent. I only had ten minutes' glimpse of the book, but I noticed that the Forest geese are warmly praised for their intelligence and other mental qualities. They roam the forest at their own sweet will by day, and return home, unsolicited, at nightfall. I have always thought the goose a much maligned volatile. The Romans knew better than the detractors of

who remarks that the goose is a better farmyard sentinel than the dog, the latter being sometimes silenced by a bribe of food, whereas the goose is disturbed and cackles at the slightest sounds at night, and is noisiest when fed. H. E. M. St. Petersburg.

ENGLISH AND SCOTCH STUDENTS AT PADUA (8th S. viii. 223, 233, 411; ix. 329).—Since making my previous communications on this subject, I find that the "Gabriel Onifield" of the lists therein given is identical with Gabriel Honyfield, of Westwell (near Ashford), co. Kent, M.D., son and heir of Richard Honyfield, gent., and who was living in 1677, and party to an indenture of that date, together with Jane Honyfield, of the same place, widow, and James Symons, of Aldington (near Hythe), same county, &c., relating to a messuage, &c., in Aldington aforesaid. This Dr. Honyfield does not, however, appear to have been a member of the London College of Physicians. W. I. R. V.

“PINASEED" (8th S. x. 212, 320, 402).—Really and truly "pinaseed" is a condensation of "a pin to see it." A pin was the charge for looking at the "flower mosaic," nor would children unfold the pin-show unless the fee was paid in advance. "Seed" is a pronunciation of saw in the county of Derby. The "pinaseed" lines mostly used were:

Another :

Worksop.

Gimmy a pin, ter stick imershin An' ahl pag yer off ter Darby.

Gimmy a pin, ter stick imerchin Ter carry my lord ter London.

THOS. RADCLIFFE.

"LEAVE OFF": "ABACK" (8th S. x. 356).—If the best English is that which is best "under

Measure for Measure.'

"Never to give over."-Bacon, 'N. H.'

66 Why then give over to be king."-Bacon.

"Yet gives not o'er, though desperate of success." Milton.

"Must we now give o'er."-Denham.

was the third son of the second Earl Talbot, and was born in 1810. He was educated at Christ Church, Oxford, where he took his bachelor's degree in 1831, and was ordained priest in 1834 by the then Bishop of Gloucester, Dr. Monk. In the same year he was appointed rector of Withington, Gloucestershire, which he held

Johnson

66 pronounces aback" to be "obsolete." ED. MARSHALL. ABRAHAM LINCOLN (8th S. x. 436).-Through the courtesy of Mr. B. C. Dixon, of Streatham, I am enabled to answer my own query at this reference. The book inquired for is A Memorial Lincoln Bibliography, &c., by A. Boyd (Albany, New York, 1870, 8vo.). G. L. APPERSON.

WYVILL (8th S. x. 336).-The name of Zerubbabel Wyvill (1762-1837), a native of Maidenhead, appears in David Baptie's' Handbook of Musical Biography.' GUALTERULUS.

HAYNE: HAYNES (8th S. x. 515).—A good many years ago I was lodging at St. Ives, Cornwall, with a little niece. The child wanted very much to bathe, but having no ladies with me, and the tents being in charge of men only, I was puzzled how to manage it till the Mayoress of St. Ives kindly volunteered to take charge of her. That lady was a Mrs. Edward Hain, which will add another to MR. HAINES's many spellings. I afterwards found the name so spelt was common there. C. F. S. WARREN, M.A.

Longford, Coventry. In the West of England this surname may be safely derived from the Welsh and Cornish hến= old, the elder. Compare Vaughan, from Vychan the little, the younger. Probably the " up

=

C. M. P.

The Rev. Bartholomew Edwards, M. A.—B. A. 1811-St. John's, Cambridge, was appointed to the rectory of Ashill, Norfolk, in 1813, and died 21 Feb., 1889, within a few days of completing his hundredth year, and after having resided at Ashill for an unbroken period of seventy-six years. See a memoir in the St. John's magazine, the Eagle, xv. 481. P. J. F. GANTILLON.

Nearly ten years ago (7th S. ii. 344) I asked a question concerning the Rev. Gregory Palmer, minister of West Haddon, Northamptonshire, in the seventeenth century. He was vicar for more than fifty-two years, having been born in the parish. He died also and was buried at West Haddon, case must be well-nigh unique. where his tomb may still be seen. I imagine his

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