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would thereby arise upon the subject daily; | calumnies which had been propagated and the certainty that it would do so against him [loud cheers)." He was ought to induce ministers to assign a sure that the House would do him justice reason for wishing to avoid it. If they when an inquiry into the charges against expected further information on the sub- him should be instituted, and that it would, ject, the avowal of such expectation would in the mean time, appreciate the motives be a fair reason for postponing the discuss which induced him to act as he then sion of it; but if they did not, they were acted. All that he would say not consulting the wishes of the country that he was guiltless of all fraud, and that in not proceeding with it immediately. he wished the transaction alluded to by They had heard much of the interest of the hon. alderman who had brought it bethe manufacturer, and of the agriculturist, fore the House to be fully investigated. At but there was one interest of which they present, he bowed before the storm which had not heard one word of, and that was had been excited against him ; but he was the interest of the people.

convinced that fair weather would soon

return, and that his character would shine CHAIRMAN OF COMMITTEES OF THE with undiminished brightness in spite of House--MR. BROGDEN.) On the order the clouds which now obscured it. He of the day for the House resolving itself would not trespass further on the attention into a committee of supply,

of the House. On former occasions he Mr. Brogden addressed the House. had often received its indulgence : all He said, that he had now had the honour that he now asked for was its justice. In of filling the important and honourable conclusion he challenged the worthy situation of Chairman of the Committees alderman, who had been the first to assail of the House for nearly two whole parlia- his character, to give him a speedy opporments; and he was not conscious of hav- tunity of vindicating it from the charges ing done any act, during that period, which he had brought against it. which was either dishonourable in itself or Mr. Secretary Canning said, he was derogatory from the situation which he sure that only one impression could have filled in that House and in society at large. been generated in the House by the address Within the few last months, however, he which the hon. gentleman had delivered had been assailed by public and private an address which was as creditable to calumnies, the most unjustifiable and un- that hon. gentleman's sense of what was founded. He had rebutted those calum- due to himself, as it was consonant to the nies as far as was in his power ; but they honour of the House, and to the feelings were still circulated to his disadvantage, of those whose duty it was to suggest a fit in consequence of the prejudices which person to fill the chair of the committees. had been excited against him. He was For his own part, he felt that the House, happy, however, in having it in his power although it might avail itself of the hon. to say, that from those who knew him best, member's determination to withdraw himhe had received, not blame, but thanks; self at present from the chair, which he he had met, not with accusation, but had filled with so much credit to himself applause ; whilst, on the other hand, he and advantage to the public businesswas sorry to say, that among the public and he could assure it, that he did not at large his character had been torn from intend to propose the hon. gentleman for him by anonymous publications of the its chairman, after what he had just said,most scandalous and virulent description. he felt, he repeated, that the House, if the He would venture to affirm, that there hon. gentleman came out of the inquiry was no gentleman on either side of the which he had challenged, free from moral House, let his politics be what they might, taint, would be sorry to make any arrangewho had investigated the merits of his ment which would preclude him from case, and possessed sufficient knowledge again filling that situation. At the same of it to decide on the accusations which time, he must observe, that if it had been had been preferred against him. In such possible—if it had been either respectful a condition, though he felt himself per- to the House, or kind to the individualfectly guiltless, he could not think of to press him against his own disclaimer, presenting himself as a candidate for the he should have been reluctant to place the office which he had filled in the two last hon. member at present in the chair, beparliaments, until he had removed the cause he felt that a thousand opportunities during the ordinary business of parliament tion of the hon. member to the situation might arise, in which the vague rumours, of chairman of the committees of the which had necessarily reached the ears of House. He had seen so much of the every member in the House, might prove gambling speculations which had recently impediments to the progress of business, disgraced and exhausted the country-he and matter of unpleasantness to the hon. knew so much of the manner in which member himself. The course which the they were concocted and subsequently hon. member had taken was, in his opinion, managed--that he considered it derogatory manly, wise, and honourable.

He was

from the honour of the House to have any confident that the hon, alderman who had man connected with so many of them, as menaced that hon. member--and he did the hon. member was, placed in the renot use the word “menaced” in an offen- spectable situation of chairman of their sive sense-perhaps he ought rather to committees. “ Indeed," continued the have said, who had given that hon. hon. alderman, “had it been possible for meinber notice of his intention to oppose you, Mr. Speaker, to have been connected his re-election to the office of chairman of as the hon. member is with numbers of the committees of the House, would feel these joint-stock companies, I should have himself bound to give him as early as felt it to be my duty, upon public grounds, possible the opportunity which he sought to have made the same objeetion to your of exculpating his character. Until that re-election to the office which you now so exculpation was complete, he should not honourably fill, as I ventured to say that deem it respectful to the House to propose I should make to the re-election of the to place the hon. member in that situation, hon. member to the post which he filled which he could not fill to the public in the last parliament." He declared that advantage, unless he took it free from all he should not have said a word bearing moral taint. When the proper opportu- upon the hon. member, had not the hon. nity arrived, he should propose as chair- member been likely to be again called to man, pro tempore, another hon. gentleman, the situation which he had twice before who had long been a member of the House, had the honour of filling : and though he who was conversant with its forms and might have felt it his duty to have brought modes of transacting business, and whom the whole of the joint-stock companies he could venture to recommend to their under the notice of parliament, he should notice as a man of unblemished honour. not have placed the hon. member's conHe would also say this of that gentleman, nexion with them under its consideration, that though the chairmanship of their unless it had arisen naturally out of the committees would be to him, as it must investigation. He knew that many hon. be to every member, an object of honour members of that House had lent their able ambition, he would be more happy names to those speculations; and that by in restoring it to its ancient possessor, free so doing they had inflicted considerable from all reproach, than he would be in mischief on unsuspecting individuals, holding it himself, whilst that gentleman though they had had no participation in was labouring, unjustly, under the obloquy the fraudulent gains. If such an inquiry of the public.

as he proposed should take place, he Mr. Alderman Waithman said, he felt trusted that the House (even though some himself in as painful a situation-indeed hon. members of it should be implicated he might say, in a more painful situation by it, and should be proved to have exthan he had ever before felt in address tracted money out of the pockets of the ing a public assembly. He wished it to people, by raising the price of shares by he distinctly understood by the House, unfair and dishonourable artifices) would that he did not come forward as the ac- do its duty to the country, and would ineuser of the hon. gentleman. With re- stitute a rigid investigation into every cirgard to the transactions which he had cumstance connected with the subject. brought before it, and which the hon. It might perhaps be asked, why he had member had acknowledged to be fraudu- put himselt so prominently forward on this lent, the hon, member said that he knew occasion. He could give many reasons ; nothing. He gave the hon. member credit but one should suffice. It was his fortune for that assertion; and he now informed to be placed in a high and dignified situathe House, that it was not upon that tion in the year 1824, when this mania ground alone that he opposed the re-elec- ' was at its height. He was at that time


lord mayor of London, and in conse- , Alexander Grant, as chairman of comquence, had numberless applications from mittees. On taking the chair, sir A. the various parties in getting up the Grant addressed the committee.' He exbubbles, to give his sanction to them. He pressed his concurrence in what had fallen believed that by putting his name to those from his right hon. friend, the Secretary applications he might have put thousands for Foreign Affairs, respecting the late of pounds in his pocket. He saw, how- chairman, and said that no man would be ever, through the views of the parties who more rejoiced than himself to see him reapplied to him: he saw the mischief which stored with honour to the situation which their schemes were certain to produce; he had filled so ably in the two previous and he determined to enter his protest parliaments. against them. It was, perhaps, that very determination which induced him to watch

HOUSE OF COMMONS. the progress of those bubbles more narrowly than he otherwise should have done;

Monday, November 27. and the knowledge which he acquired by Poor LAWS AND EMIGRATION-PEso watching them, convinced him of the TITION OF MR. GOURLAY.] Mr. Home necessity of entering into an investigation presented the following petition : of their nature, in case the hon. member, or any other gentleman, connected with

"To the Honourable the Commons of the equal numbers of them, should aspire to

United Kingdom of Great Britain and

Ireland, in Parliament assembled, the the chairmanship of the committees of that House, in order to enable the House to

Petition of Robert Gourlay, decide whether they were or were not “ Humbly showeth, That your petiqualified to perform its functions. He tioner, while travelling through England, thought it right to observe here, once in the year 1800, became acquainted with for all, that he had no sort of personal ill | Mr. Arthur Young, secretary to the Board will to the hon. member. He had known of Agriculture, and was prevailed on by him many years : he had had some com- him to visit certain counties, examine and mercial dealings with him; and from the report concerning the condition of the time when his acquaintance commenced labouring poor; that he then saw that with the hon. member down to the present substantial benefits were required to better moment, he had never had any ground to their condition, and thenceforth made the complain of him as a man of honour. He subject his leading pursuit. felt it his duty, however, on public grounds, “That, in the year 1809, your petito bring the subject before the House. He tioner removed from Scotland, and rented had observed these gambling speculations a farm in Wiltshire, chiefly to ascertain from their commencement to their close : more correctly how the system of the he had witnessed the ruin which they had poor-laws could be reformed ; and by the diffused throughout the country: he had year 1817 had nearly satisfied himself, seen men of large property stripped of when he had occasion to go abroad to their all, and their names in the Gazette, Canada, where his views of such reform owing to their dabbling in them; and he, were expanded, and became clear, by therefore, thought, that a full examination connecting this with a grand system of ought to be instituted into them, not an emigration. examination confined to the hon, member, That, ever since then, your petitioner and letting others go free, but one which has been overwhelmed with misfortune, should embrace all who had become direc- but never for a moment has he relinquished tors of these various companies. If the the great object of his life ; and now feels hon, member should be able to exonerate confident that, by simple means, and himself from the charges which had been within twenty years, the poor-laws of publicly brought against him, he should England may become a dead letter, and be as well pleased as any of the hon. all need for such in Ireland be done member's friends, and should not offer away, any opposition to his re-election to that • Having had petitions presented to the chair, which the hon. member had filled House of Commons every session of last with so much satisfaction.

parliament, on the subjects of Poor-law, The House having gone into the com- Reform, and Emigration, your petitioner mittee, Mr. Secretary Canning named sir now intreats that a select committee may



be appointed to examine these petitions, towards him. He stated then, and he and gravely consider these subjects, as by now begged leave to repeat the sentence, far the most important and pressing busi- which at the time he delivered it, did not ness of the present time. “And he will appear to have been understood. His ever pray.”

words were, " The broad principle of the Ordered to lie on the table.

Corn-laws involved not only the interest

of the people, but the peace of the counCORN Laws.] Mr. Hume said, he try," and that, therefore, “the consideraheld in his hand a petition from the in- tion of that question could not with safety corporation of guildry of the city of be postponed.” The latter part of that Brechin, praying for a speedy revision of sentence was not given, and he felt it a the Corn-laws. The petition stated, that duty to himself that his meaning should the admission by ministers of foreign grain, not be withheld. He regretted that he was a measure of prudence and necessity, did not see the Secretary of State for and the petitioners were unanimous in Foreign Affairs in his place, as he wished their expression of that opinion. The to have asked the right hon. gentleman concluding part of the petition prayed the whether it was the serious intention of House not to adopt half measures with government to postpone the question of regad the Corn-laws, but so to deal the Corn-laws. It was notorious that the with them as to remove the necessity of country was labouring under the greatest ministers having again claim an in- distress; and if any serious mischief should demnity from parliament for effecting a arise from an over pressure of calamity,

' public good. The hon. member then that mischief might fairly be attributed to

. claimed the indulgence of the House while the postponement of this most vital queshe referred to a report in a daily paper, tion. So earnestly did he feel the necessity tending, as he said, to injure him in the of an early consideration of the Corn-laws, eyes of the country. He was well aware that if ministers should determine to defer of the malice and inveterate rancour pur- its discussion, he would himself endeavour sued towards him by some individuals to induce the House to bring in a bill for connected with the public press, who gave the admission of foreign corn. The hon.

, publication to a series of calumnies that gentleman proceeded to contend, that the seriously affected his character. He hoped, fears of the country gentlemen were conhowever, that the time was not far distant siderably over-stated with reference to the when the imputations under which he corn question; and nothing, he maintained, laboured would be satisfactorily cleared but a fair and full discussion of the subup, by a full explanation of the circum- ject could bring its bearings fairly before stances which had given rise to them. the public, with a view to the interest of The hon. member then said, in alluding all classes. He hoped the observations to the report in question, that at the close which he threw thus loosely together, of his observations respecting the corn would not be lost upon the House ; and question, a few nights ago, when he called that it would not separate for three months upon ministers not to postpone the con- without coming to some decision on a sideration of that important measure, as question of such paramount importance as the peace of the country and the interest the Corn-laws. of the people at large would not admit of Mr. Hurst said, he could assure the delay, it was asserted that he was coughed House that the landed interest did not by down. Had such been the case, it would any means feel the alarm on the subject certainly not have been the first time that of the Corn-laws which was attributed to the House had signified a wish that he them. He for one had a full confidence should not say more ; but he begged to in the wisdom of the House, and was state, that his meaning on the occasion satisfied that it would not proceed to alluded to was only partly given, and to legislate on such a subject without masay that he experienced in that House turely weighing the interests of all parties such treatment was only adding to the concerned. It was desirable that it should calumnies with which he was constantly be soon disposed of, as landlords at present assailed. He had too much confidence were embarrassed

what terms to let in the indulgence of the House, and the their lands. favour of the Speaker, to suppose that Ordered to lie on the table, such treatment would have been pursued


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abolition. He had another petition to HOUSE OF LORDS.

present on the same subjecte It was from Tuesday, November 28.

the royal borough of Arbroath. The pe

titioners highly approved of the measure Corn-Laws.] Lord King said, he had adopted by ministers for the introduction several petitions to present on the subject of foreign grain. And prayed for a reof the Corn-laws; and he was very sorry, visal of the Corn-laws. He should not on that occasion, that he could not follow then trouble the House with any more pethe recommendation of the noble and titions, as it appeared that their lordships learned earl on the woolsack, who had did not wish to have too many at a time. stated it to be more conformable to par- The Earl of Lauderdale wished to obliamentary usage to present petitions with serve, that he never remembered to have out any comment. If it were his wish to seen the House in the situation in which perpetuate all kinds of abuses, he certainly it appeared to be placed at present. To would follow the prudent example which be sure the noble earl on the woolsack and the noble and learned lord had set; but another noble earl opposite (Westmorland) his object being the direct contrary, he were in the House ; but these were not should take the liberty of now making a the usual persons of whom answers to any few observations. The first petition which questions which their lordships might have he should present, was one from the toput were expected. He should much wish weavers of Carlisle, which he had selected to have the opportunity of seeing another on account of its importance and the noble earl (Liverpool) in his place, as he sufferings which the petitioners had en had a motion to submit to the House, dured. Those sufferings would be an which he wished to make when the noble ample excuse for the language which they earl was present, and he knew that other had used. It was, indeed, most extra- noble lords were equally desirous of seeing ordinary that so large a number of the the noble earl in the House. king's subjects should put their names to The Earl of Westmorland believed it a petition containing these words; namely was the usual practice for noble lords to

-" “that thousands, and probably hundreds give notice of any motion of importance of thousands, frequently addressed each which they might intend to bring forward. other, coolly inquiring whether it was not He was confident that, if his noble friend as well to die on the scaffold as of hunger ?” were made acquainted with the wish of Excuse for this was alone to be found in any of their lordships to see him in his the extremity of their sufferings. He had place, he would not fail to attend. inquired of gentlemen capable of giving the best information on the subject, and CATHOLIC EMANCIPATION.] Earl he found that the petitioners had given Spencer presented a petition from the but too true a picture of their sufferings. county of Mayo, praying for Catholic Nothing but great suffering could have Emancipation. The noble earl said, he induced such language, and the petition entirely concurred in the object which the might, therefore, be regarded as displaying petition had in view. Ever since the the feelings of the people. The petitioners Union of the two kingdoms, which was prayed for the abolition of the Corn-laws; now upwards of a quarter of a century, he and, as drowning men catch at straws, had never altered his opinion on the subthey prayed besides for an appropriation ject of the Catholic claims. On the conof that property called church property, trary, every year tended more and more to the payment of the national debt, and to add to the conviction he entertained, also for a reform in parliament. The that neither the interests of strict justice, petition was worded with all proper ex- nor of sound policy could be duly regarded, pressions of humility to their lordships. until those claims were conceded. In fact,

The Earl of Lauderdale supposed this without concession there could be no hope to be a petition for the repeal of the Corn- of peace or security for the empire, and laws; but he now found that it was one he felt persuaded that continued resistance for the confiscation of church property, to those claims must ultimately be atand for reform in parliament.

tended by some tremendous disaster. He Lord King said, the petition was for the trusted, however, that when the question abolition of the Corn-laws, though it sug- should again be brought forward, the regested other measures in addition to that sult would be different from that which

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