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from the motion of which he had given noHOUSE OF LORDS,

tice; and he was, therefore, disposed to Tuesday, February 20.

relinquish it. At the same time he must Queen's Annuity Bill.] The Earl declare, that his opinion on the question of Liverpool moved the second reading of of the Liturgy was not shaken; and that this bill, in doing which, he should abstain he thought that this was an occasion on from entering into any detail on the sub- which it was the duty of their lordships, ject. The sum of 50,0001. had been pro- as the constitutional advisers of the Crown, posed, not with any reference to her ma- to recommend to his majesty the restorajesty's case, but because it was the iden- tion of her majesty's name. Nothing tical sum, which, as stipulated in her con- would more tend to rivet to his majesty tract of marriage, she was to have if she the affections of his people than such an survived his majesty. As therefore she act of grace and justice. Let it not be would be entitled to that sum on the de- supposed that he was actuated by partiamise of the Crown, he thought that in her lity in the course he had taken. When present situation she had, if not a legal, the illustrious person who was the object at least an equitable claim to it.

of the inquiry was formerly in this counThe Earl of Darnley said, that so far try, he had had very little intercourse from wishing to oppose the measures of with her ; and since her return he had the noble lord on every occasion, he was studiously avoided it, because he thought very happy when he could, even in the it right to keep his mind entirely free and slightest degree, concur with him. Under unprejudiced. If, however, he wished to all the circumstances of the case, he keep up a state of dissatisfaction, if he thought the sum proposed that to which were disposed to perpetuate what had her majesty was fairly entitled. Having been called the undue influence of her thus far stated his agreement with the majesty with the people, he would cer. noble lord, he must disclaim any appro- tainly advise ministers not to insert her bation of the other measures of the noble name in the Liturgy. There were three lord in reference to the Queen. He could great points of view under which this not agree that the House of Commons question presented itself; namely, the had wisely decided that there existed no legality, the justice, and the expediency grounds for censuring ministers. With of the omission. He believed he might ihat vote, however, before him, he could safely assert that the majority of legal not help concluding, that any proposition opinions concurred in pronouncing the which might be made, however aided by omission to be illegal. But he was wilthe talents of the noble lords near him, ling to take it for granted that the exclu. would be decided, not by the considera- sion was legal; and then came the question of how far it was right or wrong in tion of justice. It appeared to him plain, itself, but with reference to the support that an exclusion, made on the presumping of ministers. Of the success of the tion of guilt, must necessarily be unjust;. motion of which he had given notice he for if this were not admitted, the prin had therefore much reason to despair ; ciple on which justice was administered and, in addition to that consideration, he in this country must be totally different must freely confess that he bad on this from what he had always believed it to subject been guided by the opinion of be. But if it was unjust to inflict punishindividuals with whom he had long had ment on suspicion, how much more unjust the honour to act, and of others whose was it to continue that punishment after late conduct in preferring their duty to the prosecution was given up? But, the public to their duty to ministers, had while he contended that her majesty was done themselves the greatest honour. substantially acquitted, he was not bound He had reason to expect that, if he to approve of every thing wbich might be brought forward a motion for restoring done by her. He felt, that if she had the Queen's name to the Liturgy, he abstained from certain publications, her should be supported by many of the per claim might have been considered more sons to whom he had alluded. At the irresistible even in that House, and that same time, considering the discouraging he at least should not have needed to circumstances he had stated, and the wave the motion of which he had given doubts which some entertained of its ille- notice. With regard to the question of gality, he was inclined to think that at expediency, he thought that was com, present no good effect could be expected pletely settled by the events which had taken place. He would leave it to the was no particular distinction. Still she reverend bench to say, whether a measure was prayed for. Indeed, there was no could be expedient, which had proved so person of any rank or degree in society injurious to religion. Was it fitting that who did not receive the benefit of the party feelings should be excited in a place prayers of the church; and God forbid devoted to public worship? Why should that any individual, high or low, should the Liturgy remain in that state which ever be excluded from that benefit. must remind every congregation, in the But, all that her majesty complained of midst of their devotions, of the omission was, that she had not distinction in of her majesty's name? He was con- prayer, the omission of which was not a fident that great injury would be done to question connected with religion, but one the establishment by the exclusion. If of grace and favour. he were not greatly misinformed, the Lord Ellenborough contended, that the effect had already been considerable: he provision made for her majesty by this was assured that several reverend gentle bill was too large. The reason alleged men had thought it necessary to exhort by the noble earl for granting 50,0001. their congregations, in consequence of namely, that the Queen would be entitled many pious Christians having made the to that sum, if she survived the king—was omission of the Queen's name a ground not sufficient; for her conduct had not for withdrawing from the church. been such as ought to induce parliament

The Lord Chancellor said, that if he to anticipate in her favour an event which had any doubt as to the legality of not might not take place. When he consi: inserting the name of her majesty in the dered her majesty's conduct, not only as Liturgy, he would be the first to move an it had appeared in evidence at that bar, address to the King, to pray his majesty but, by her publications, and, in particuto restore it to the Liturgy. It was a lar, by her Letter to the king, he could question upon which he had obtained not expect that the money granted would every information that could be acquired, be employed for the only object for and to which he had applied the deepest which it ought to be granted, which was research ; and the result was, that he had the maintenance of the dignity of the no doubt whatever of the legality of omit- Crown. On the contrary, he was afraid ting her majesty's name in the Liturgy; that it would be so employed as to throw an opinion which, in his mind, the con greater disparagement on the Crown and struction of the acts of parliament, and the institutions of the country. He rethe consideration of what had been done gretted that, on the passing of this bill

, under the authority of those acts, during the Commons did not take into considerthe whole period since their passing, com- ation the circumstances of the case, and pletely confirmed.

those principles of economy which had The Archbishop of Canterbury ob. induced them on a former occasion to served that the noble earl had intimated limit a grant proposed to be made to a that a large secession from the established branch of the royal family. This limitachurch had taken place, in consequence tion was made upon a strong conviction of the omission of the Queen's name in that the case was one which ought not to the Liturgy. Now, if such accession did receive the sanction which the grant exist, of which, however, he was entirely might imply. There had been many ocignorant, he thought it must be owing to casions on which the sentiments of the political, and not to religious feelings. people had for the moment been contrary He was not disposed to undervalue the to the decision of parliament; but he beclaim of her majesty to have her name in- lieved there never was one in which a deserted in the Liturgy. It was a claim cision of parliament received more geneto something which was important when ral approbation than that to which he alpossessed, and still more important when luded. There were other points of ecowithheld ; but at the same time he must nomy to which the attention of the House contend, that it was a claim wholly uncon- of Commons had been frequently dinected with religious principles. It was rected. He recollected several motions a claim, not for prayer, but to distinction for the reduction of the public expendi. in prayer. Her majesty was prayed for ture; and, among the rest, those for in the Liturgy and in the collects set abolishing the third secretary of state, apart for the royal family. He would, and lessening the number of the lords of however, admit that to be so prayed for the Admiralty. The grant' which was

now made to her majesty, he, however, I made by the noble lord, to what took
believed, was equal to the amount of all place some time since in the House of
the savings that would have been effected Commons with relation to a proposed al-
by those reductions. The opinion of the lowance to a branch of the royal family.
people respecting her majesty's conduct He could not agree with the noble lord in
would soon be set right : and when they his opinion upon that subject: so far
once formed a right judgment on that froin there having been any evidence to
subject, he was convinced that there was justify the vote alluded to, there was no-
no part of the proceedings in parliament thing alleged but mere rumours; and so
respecting her which would be looked far from that vote, which was only carried
back to with so much disgust as this by a majority of one, meeting with the
grant, made at a period of great national general approbation of the public, he did
distress. He would not however propose not believe that there was any general opi-
a reduction, because, recollecting the nion of that description. Heshould feel him-
practice of parliament respecting money self guilty of great baseness, if he had
bills, he would not hazard the opening of not stood up in defence of the illustrious
discussions between the two Houses individual (the duke of Cumberland)
which might revive the subject in which who, at one time taking an active part
their lordships had lately been engaged in that House, had used all his exertions
He was indeed anxious that nothing to bring in ministers whose measures
should be done to prevent her majesty were the best calculated to promote the
from falling into a state of oblivion. He interests of the country.
rejoiced that the subject being now got The Earl of Blesington was far from
rid of altogether, she would no longer be thinking, that the annuity granted to her
able to agitate the country. It was to majesty was too great. On the contrary,
the throwing out of the bill of Pains and he thought it too small. Considering that
Penalties that their lordships were in the bill of Pains and Penalties had been
debted for this happy state of things. withdrawn, it was the duty of ministers
Had it not been for the rejection of that to offer her majesty a palace and the full
bill, the case would still have been before enjoyment of all her rights. He did not,
parliament, and her majesty would have however, approve of the advice which had
had the appearance of being an object of been given her to refuse this grant. By
persecution, and would have been held the withdrawing of the bill she was the
up as an injured and unfortunate woman. triumphant party, and she might, there-
There had been rumours, but he trusted fore, accept

the
money

without giving up they were untrue, that it was her majesty's any legal claim. It was the opinion of intention to refuse the grant conveyed by the country at large that the exclusion of this bill, unless her name was restored to her name from the Liturgy was unjust, the Liturgy. He hoped that if she had and he was confident there would be no been advised to this course, it would be tranquillity until it was inserted. departed from. It could only tend to Lord Calthorpe expressed a desire that keep up popular clamour, and to continue the money now granted would be emthose differences of opinion which had so ployed in supporting the high station of long prevented the public business of the her majesty, and in exercising those vir. state from being duly attended to. It tues which the House had in view in all would be for her now to decide, whether grants to the illustrious family on the she would receive the grant liberally voted throne. He should be glad if the appreby parliament, or become the pensioner hensions which he entertained on this subof a party ; but he hoped that she would ject were unfounded. With respect to not only take the money which was of ihe amount of the grant, ministers had, in fered her, but abstain from doing or say- his opinion, acted wisely. Her majesty ing any thing which might lead to the re- had shown a great degree of liberality, on agitation of the painful subject which had a former occasion, in surrendering a part already occupied so much of the public of the income intended for her by parliaattention.

ment, and he did not wish to see any adThe Earl of Limerick agreed, that the vantage taken of that liberality by pregrant was too large, and with much of posing a less sum on the present occasion. what had been said respecting the con- The Marquis of Lansdown would not duct of the Queen ; nor should he have have risen on the present occasion, had risen, had it not been for an allusion he not been one of those adverted to by VOL. IV.

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his noble friend as having, by his advice, | He wished to know, whether the commiscontributed to induce his noble friend not sioners had any plan in a state of matuto agitate the question to which he had al- rity; because if they had not, he must luded. In doing so he was guided by the move for the appointment of a committee consideration that all discussion on a to ascertain the cause of the delay. question of this nature ought to be avoid- Mr. D. Gilbert replied, that the Bank ed when it could lead to no practical re- had taken the utmost pains to give effect sult. He would say, that the amount of to the exertions of the commissioners. the grant proposed by ministers met with The plan of Mr. Applegarth, did not his concurrence. Whatever opinion might consist of any superior improvement in be formed of the Queen's conduct since the art of engraving, but in hardening a she came to this country, he thought it steel plate in such a manner, by a chyought not to weigh with the House on the mical process, as to give it that durability present occasion. Disapproving, as he which would admit of any number of imdid, of her Letter to the king-disap- pressions being struck from it. But it proving, as he did, of many of her an- was obvious that the perfection of the

to addresses, -he at the same plate alone did not complete the process. time thought that in the extraordinary The commission had to proceed upon a situation in which she was placed, it was consideration of the greatest difficulty ; the height of cruelty to make her respon- namely, to consider whether it was possible for every part of her conduct-con- sible to make, by human art, a plan duct which she had pursued under cir. which human art could not imitate. In cumstances to which no queen was ever the pursuit of their project they had corbefore exposed. Filling her high station, responded with all quarters of Europe and enjoying ber exalted rank, he thought and America. They had availed themthe proposed grant not too great, nor did selves of all the means of obtaining inforhe think that her majesty was well advised mation which they could possibly comto decline receiving a grant made by the mand, and had selected what appeared bounty of parliament-even though a to them the best. Some which at first right on which she laid great stress was appeared inimitable were in the course withheld. He trusted, therefore, that she of the inquiry, found capable of imitawould yet consent to accept it.

tion; so that the commissioners had had The Bill was read a second time. repeatedly to change and vary their plans

according to fresh circumstances. HOUSE OF COMMONS,

NOTTINGHAM PETITION FOR THE IMTuesday, February 20,

PEACHMENT OF MINISTERS.] Mr. Den. PREVENTION Or Bank FORGERIES.] | man said, he held in his hand a petition Mr. Curwen rose to put a question to from the people of Nottingham, praying the hon. member for Bodmin upon a sub- for an inquiry into the state of the country ject of great public importance. His --praying specifically for an inquiry into question related to the steps now taken the transactions which took place at Manby the commissioners who were appointed chester, and also that articles of impeachto inquire into the best means of preventing ment might be exhibited against ministers. the forgery of Bank notes. It was within In the absence of 'ministers he would not the last few days rumoured that Mr. stop to say how far their conduct appearApplegarth's plan of a Bank note, which ed to him to deserve the severe imputa. was to render imitation almost impossible, tions cast upon them. In presenting this had entirely failed: he hoped, on every petition he thought it right to observe ground of policy and humanity that this that the language, although strong, and rumour was not correct. At all events, perhaps extremely so in one or two pashe hoped that the commissioners would sages, was yet on the whole what he not, on account of one discouraging could not but consider applicable to the circumstance, drop their proceeedings. circumstances to which the petitioners He knew that it was impossible to get any referred. And when the House recollect. plan which could be pronounced inimi- ed that the petition came from a town table; but they might obtain a plan which where, though trade was said to have rewould render forgery so extremely ex. vived, there yet remained an arrear of pensive and difficult, as to make that pur- 6,0001. of poor's rates, which could not suit impossible for those who pursue it. be collected without aggravating the distress it was intended to relieve, the House respect to the printing of petitions, that ought not to be too fastidious in consider the language of several petitions might ing the language in which such persons not often suit the delicate ears of persons conveyed their sentiments.

in that House, whose conduct those very The Petition was then brought up and petitions might impugo. It was quite read. The petitioners stated, that the a new attempt to prevent the printing greatest evils had been brought upon the of petitions. "It was done with a view country by the acts of a corrupt and un- which was disclaimed in that House sefeeling administration, under whose po- veral years ago.

If it should prove licy the real glory of England was tar- successful, the thing would come to nished, and her people bent down under this — that every petition which exacts of cruelty and oppression. The pressed, in terms of honest indignation motto of those ministers was “ divide and ihe feelings of the people might be sticonquer." They implored the House to fled: gentlemen would refuse to allow institute an impeachment against them such petitions to be printed. The next for the various injuries they had inflicted step would be, to prevent the petitions on the people, and for their base and froin being read. They might then detraitorous conduct towards their inno- cide not to receive them at all. He could cent, high-minded, and persecuted Queen. not but set his face against an attempt to They wished to terrify the people by acts prevent the printing of petitions. It was of tyranny-men were led to captivity, acknowledged on all hands, that the and brought to the scaffold without cause. country should be informed of the proThe people, suffering under distress and ceedings of that House; but the premisfortune, cried out for food-their com- sent was an attempt to prevent the plaints were answered by the corn law, by country from being informed. The right swords and bayonets, and disgraceful of having the petitions of the people acts of parliament. The carnage of the printed, was one which he would not memorable 16th of August, å day of consent to surrender. He would thereblood, which was not accounted for, de- fore take the sense of the House upon manded retributive justice. They prayed the subject. that the traitors and murderers of that Lord Binning said, that a more inflamed day might be brought to condign pu- account of a possible grievance could not nishment. The people on that day had have been made, than that just given by

Why, then, should they the hon. member upon an objection behave been butchered by armed yeomanry, ing merely taken to the printing of a who received public thanks for their petition, which libelled the administra. deeds of murder and of blood.-On the tion of justice throughout the country. question being put, that the petition be Because they refused to print such a peprinted,

tition they were to be told that they were Mr. Wynn said, that he must object to obstructing the right of petition? Since this motion, which would send forth in a the arrangement had been made upon the printed form, through the medium of that subject of printing the votes, he only reHouse, a libel upon the administration of collected one instance in which an objecjustice. He did not object to expressions tion had been taken to the language of a merely offensive to ministers; but when petition; so that the right of making the it was said that innocent blood had been objection-which unquestionably existed, shed upon the scaffold, they ought to or else why put the question from the hesitate before they circulated such a chair upon the printing-had not been statement throughout the country. captiously exercised. The old practice

Mr. Bonnet said, he did not agree in all was, when arranging the votes, for the the statements of the petitions, but he Speaker to order the petitions to be precould not but strongly object to the at- sented, omitting, however, any passages tempt to get rid, by a side wind, of the which might be deemed objectionable. old right of printing petitions. The hon. By the new arrangement, the whole of gentleman could not produce a single in each petition was printed. He certainly stance in which petitions were not printed should vote against printing a petition as a matter of course for the last two containing such language. years. His late lamented friend (Mr. Sir Robert Wilson was not prepared to Whitbread,) had said, on the occasion say that blood had been shed innocently where an alteration had been made with upon the scaffold, yet he was ready to

done no wrong.

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