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their own security, on which subject they most interesting and important subject; might have opportunities of judging,which on the result of which, perhaps, depended this country could not possess, and on the peace and tranquillity of Europe; and which it would have no right to interpose. of no country more than England He repeated, that he begged not to be Lord Casilereagh professed himself ununderstood as giving any opinion ou that able to give any precise answer to the question in the present instance; but he question of the hon. gentleman. It could was quite sure, from what had fallen from not be expected of any member of his maan hon. gentleman of so enlarged a mind, jesty's government, in the discharge of and whose candid mode of discharging his public duty, to communicate any of his parliamentary duty did him so much the circumstances that might have reached honour, that he could not be at all ac- him on such an occasion; while the transquainted with the data on which alone any action to which those circumstances relatobservations on the present state of affairs ed was still pending. If the hon, member in Naples could justly be founded. The would, at a subsequent period, move for circumstances of the recent transaction in any information which he might wish for that kingdom were certainly most interest- as to the course pursued by this country ing and important. The hon. gentleman, in the transaction, there could be no diffihowever, seemed to have run away with an culty in producing it; but he would himassumption of facts relative to the internal self see, that any communication respectcondition of Naples, wholly different from ing the larger European question would those which had been represented to him be attended with more difficulty. This, (lord C.) or those which had attended the however, he had no hesitation in distinctly . transactions in question.
declaring, that the course which had Mr. Warre reinarked, that the noble been pursued by this country on the sublord had now repeated those observations ject, in no way rendered it a party to the which he had made in his speech yester proceedings, whatever they might be of day, and which were strongly calculated the three great powers assembled at Layto arrest attention and to excite alarm. He bach. Although there had certainly been would take the opportunity, before he sat no difficulty on the part of the English down, of asking the noble lord a question admiral on the station, to afford the king on the subject of Naples, to which the of Naples every possible facility for his noble lord would of course give or with- voyage from Naples to Leghorn-yet it hold an answer, as he should think proper. ought not to be inferred from that interA great deal of what had fallen from the ference, that England had any participahon. gentleman near him, appeared to him tion either in the invitation of his majesty, to be extremely worthy of the coble lord's the king of Naples, to Laybach, or in any consideration. It was with great regret he other part of the policy of the three great heard the noble lord hold it out as a pro- powers on the subject. It was unquesbability, that any consideration of safety tionably a matter of great delicacy, and one to the Austrian dominions, as that subject on which he could not be called on premamight be viewed by the Austrian govern- turely, to disclose the policy by which the ment, might justly operate to render the powers in question were actuated. gallant, noble, and justifiable effort of the Sir Robert Wilson said, he had been Neapolitan people to assert their indepen- given to understand that a Neapolitan of dence, the means of exposing them to the high rank and character had been sent to aggressions of foreign powers. With res- the English court by the constitutional gopect to the question that he wished to ask vernment recently established in Naples ; the noble lord, he felt himself especially but that having tendered his credentials, justified in putting it; because some of he was, though received with the noble bis majesty's ships of war had been em- lord's usual urbanity, not recognised in ployed on a service connected and inter- his character of envoy; on the ground that woven with the recent transactions in the it was impossible for the British governkingdom of Naples : he meant in trans- ment to recognise any act of the new goporting the king of Naples to Leghorn. vernment at Naples, until the allied powHe therefore begged to ask the noble ers had come to some decision on the nelord if he could foresce the probable time gociation then carrying on at Troppau, when he would be able to furnish the and since at Laybach. On that ground, House with information, either in the after remaining three weeks here, he unshape of documents or otherwise, on this derstood that the individual in question VOL. IV.
had returned to the continent. If that not fail instantly to resent. It was the
against the principle, that the British go- stances. They would have instantly sent vernment were bound to rush forward and a fleet and an army to assist their ancient acknowledge every change that might be allies in the establishment of their liberties. made in a foreigo government without the It was well known by every English gentleleast deliberation as to its nature. On the man who had travelled on the continent, that contrary, the British government had dis- the conduct of the government of Austria tinctly declared, that it could not instantly was so execrable in Italy, that any thing consent to a technical and formal recog-like freedom or independence was utterly nition of a state of things which required incompatible with the continuance of its much deliberation to estimate. What the power. What was the fact ? Ministers had gallant general had said of his (Lord C.'s) by their measures brought this country former explanation respecting the principle into such a state, that it was impossible we of the conduct of the British government could enter upon a new war without towards that of Spain, was perfectly cor- immediate destruction to our finances. rect, although at the time alluded to, the Were it not for that, there was no English gallant general was inclined to push the heart that would not anxiously wish that assumption that the British government this country should vigorously interfere was a party to the declaration of the allied to put down this new system of diplomacy, sovereigus, which it was not. All that he and counteract the designs of the three now wished to press on the House was, holy and royal inquisitors ; who took that while they held the government of upon themselves to sit in judgment on this country, strictly to account for the en- what they were pleased to consider the gagements which they made with other crimes of independent nations. Happy powers, they would not interfere too fre- result of that most happy piece of royal quently in the policy of other powers. blasphemy--the holy alliance ! Those powers were as much entitled to act Mr. Hume, although he rather differed independently with reference to any point from his hon. friend on the question of the in which they considered their own in- propriety of interference on the part of this terests involved as this country would be country, thought that we ought to take under similar circumstances.
every opportunity of showing our good Sir R. Wilson wished to ask the noble will towards the Neapolitans. It had been lord, whether the non-recognition of the stated to him, that an application bad been new Neapolitan minister was accompanied made to our government, to know if permisby any circumstances hostile to the new sion would be granted to export to Naples constitutional government of Naples ? a supply of arms, for the manufacture of
Lord Castlereagh-Certainly not. which a commission had been received in
Mr. James adverted to the Austrian this country. If such an application had loan, and requested to know if there was been made and refused, it would show, that any prospect of its being repaid.
our government favoured the objects of Lord Castlereagh replied, that in the Austria, Russia, aud Prussia, raiher than early period after the contraction of that the struggle of the Neapolitans for indeloan, there had been some payments upon pendence. He should be very sorry if it; but for a long course of years no pay- such a disposition had manifested itself ment had taken place; and although some and he requested to know how the fact communications had recently been in- stood. terchanged on the subject, they were not Mr. F. Robinson replied, that as the of a nature to hold out any great prospect law at present stood, there was no obstacle of a speedy repayment.
to the export of arms to any part of EuMr. James then gave notice, that he rope-except Spain. Power was given by would shortly submit to the House a law to prohibit the export of arms by an motion for papers explanatory of the sub- order in council; but that power had ject.
been exercised only with reference to Sir Robert Heron was sure the ques. Spain. The export of arnis to Naples tion of Naples would not be treated as one was therefore perfectly free. of delicacy by Austria. If that House Mr. Hume observed, that that was no exhibited so much delicacy upon it, Naples answer to his question. Bad any such might be over-run and annihilated before application as that which he had described any beneficial interference could be inter- been made? posed. Our ancestors would not have Lord Castlereagh said, that he had not shewn much delicacy. under such circum- heard of any such application.
Mr. Bankes then brought up the report. | he wished to be produced were, an extract After it had been read a second time, from the form of prayer annexed to the and on the question for agreeing to it, act of Conformity, and a copy of the
Mr. Hume, adverting to the paragraph order in council for the omission of her which related to the reductionis said to present majesty's vame. To the produchave been made in the military establish- tion of those papers he did not anticipate ment of the country, said, he presumed any opposition. He might state at the that his majesty's ministers were prepared same time, that he did not want them for to say in what branches, and to what ex- his own information, as he had long ago tent, those reductions had taken place. been supplied with them by a gentleman
The Chancellor of the E.chequer re- in the University of Oxford, whose attenplied, that it was impossible for him to tion had at an early period been directed answer at present. The nature of these to this order in council. The learned reductions would appear when the Army member concluded by moving for the doEstimates should be laid on the table. cuments he had mentioned.
Mr. Hume said, he should have supposed Lord Castlereagh had no objection to that ministers, before they put the passage the production of the documents now in question into his inajesty's mouth, moved for, although at the same time he would have the estimates before them, saw no necessity for the motion, as facts otherwise they had made his majesty of a similar kind were often stated in destate that, of the truth of which they bate, and assumed as true, without any could not be assured.
official authentication. His opposition to The address was then agreed to.
the motion of the learned gentleman, on The QUEEN LITURGY.]— Mr. We a former occasion, had proceeded from therell, in rising to submit the inotion the unusual, and, as he conceived, not of which he had given notice yester- very prudent moment at which it was day, observed, that as u noble lord had brought forward. given notice of a motion which was un. The motion was agreed to. questionably the most important that had been brought under the consideration of
HOUSE OF LORD S. parliament since the year 1789, it was impossible for any gentleman to go into Thursday, January 25. the examination of that question until Petitions RELATIVE TO THE Queen.) the neressary preliminary information had Lord Erskine said, he held in his hand been given to the House. Were be a petition from the burgh of Banff, in to state, as an historical fact, that for Scotland, praying that parliament would three centuries the name of a queen con- oppose the institution of any
prosort had in no instance but one, that ofceedings against the queen, and endeathe consort of George 1. been omitted in vour to procure the restoration of her mathe Liturgy, he had no doubt that he jesty to all her rights. He observed, that should get credit for having stated the he could pledge himself for the petition fact correctly; but he apprehended that, being properly and respectfully worded. in parliamentary practice, such an im- The noble and learned lord also presented portant question ought not to be decided petitions to the same effect from the incorwithout a regular authentication of the porated trades of Dumfries, the incorfacts by which the decision of the House porated trades of Arbroath, the town of was to be regulated. When he first pro- Montrose, the burgh of Selkirk, the city posed to move for certain papers on this of Aberdeen, New Deer, in the county subject, it had been supposed by the of Aberdeen, and from some other places right hon. the chancellor for the duchy in Scotland; and, finally, the petition of of Lancaster, that he intended to move the Lord Mayor and Common Council of for a whole magazine of prayer-books. the city of London in Cominon Council This however, was not the case. From the assembled. reign of James 1. down to the present
The Earl of Darnley rose, to present time, there were only seven instances in the petition of the county of Kent. His which he wished to know what the prac- lordship made some observations on the tice had been ; and therefore the first manner in which sheriffs of counties were branch of his motion would only require selected, and on the way in which they that seven short collects should be ex- took upon themselves to refuse their assent tracted. The two other documents which 10 public meetings. In the present instance, the sheriff had refused, not only determining the point, namely, a division, to attend the meeting, but to call it. In consequence of this refusal, the meetHow far it was legally competent for the ing broke up without coming to any reguSheriff of a county thus to obstruct the lar decision. By this conduct of the sheinhabitants in the exercise of one of their riff, the great majority of the freeholders must important rights, he should not then were deprived of the right of petitioning. discuss. He thought, however, that it | The sheriff was purely a ministerial officer, was a fit subject for the consideration of and ought not to assume to himself the parliament.
right of determining whether the partiThe Earl of Liverpool observed, that cular words in which an amendment was the sheriffs were appointed, if he might framed were relevant or not. In this inuse the expression, in so judicial a way, stance, he contended, that the sheriff of that the influence of the Crown had Chester had been guilty of a gross transnothing to do with it. In the first place, gression of duty, and of a violation of the three gentlemen for each county were re- rights of the subject. But he was deterturned by the judges, upon their oaths, mined that such conduct should not pass to the privy council sitting in the court without the strictest inquiry in a court of of Exchequer, and afterwards, on the ap- law or in parliament, if possible. The pointment, the first name of the three proceedings of the sheriffs in several counwas invariably taken, unless sufficient ties had been very extraordinary, but the reasons were alleged on behalf of the party case of Chester was the most monstrous to alter that course of nomination. There of all. was, therefore, no ground for imputing The Earl of Darnley wished to call their that the sheriffs of counties were in any lordships' attention to that part of the respect influenced by the Crown in the petition which prayed for the restoration exercise of that discretion, with regard of her majesty to all her rights. The to calling county meetings, which un- House of Commons had already declared, doubtedly belonged to them.
that the proceedings against her majesty The Earl of Darnley, in explanation, were derogatory from the dignity of the said, that he did not mean to impute that crown, and injurious to the best interests the influence of the Crown was exercised of the country. He hoped they would in the appointment of sheriffs, but merely follow up this resolution in the only way to observe, that, under other circum- in which it could be effectually followed stances, they might be made the instru- up; by taking such measures as would ments of the Crown to obstruct, very tend to restore her majesty to all her rights, materially, the right of petitioning, and, in the first place, would take steps
Earl Grosvenor said, that, as the late to reverse that measure by which it was conduct of sheriffs was before the House, attempted to deprive her of them, namely, he wished to say a few words on a most the erasure of her name from the Liturgy. trifling instance of their partiality. He The House might remember that, on a alluded to the conduct of that officer at former occasion, he had declared his the late meeting of the county of Chester, opinion that the erasure of her majesty's at which the sheriff took upon himself to name from the Liturgy was the foundation determine in what terms an address from of all the ulterior proceedings against the the county should be framed. An address queen. He had witnessed with much called a loyal address was moved. He satisfaction that men of all parties, for(lord G.)who attended as an humble indi- getting private partialities in their love for vidual, moved an amendment to that their country, had condemned those proaddress, containing similar expressions ceedings. He would make one effort more of loyalty and attachment to the throne, to restore tranquillity to the country. but accompanied with expressions of dis- The Marquis of Lansdown said, he had approbation of ministers. The sheriff re- a petition to present from the county of fused to receive the amendment. He de-Wilts. The meeting was convened by cided that it was not relevant to the object the sheriff on a requisition most respectof the meeting, and declared that he ably signed by persons of every class in would not put it. The sheriff did not the county. The petition strongly stated stop here; but afterwards took upou bim- the loyalty of the petitioners, and their self to assert, that the original address attachment to the constitution. These was carried; and refused, though repeat- sentiments were also accompanied with a edly pressed, to grant the only means of strong opinion on what had taken place